Judith, go to page 4 of gallery from discussions. Post title, some photos from my place

Carla

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but......

Carla, do you have RdV growing successfully for you? I've got three of them...granted two are from KMart grafted on Dr. Huey, but one is from Sherando Roses. This cultivar does NOT want to grow for me.

I'd love a rooted cutting of yours if you have a good clone for this part of the world. Let me know.

Robert

two are from KMart grafted on Dr. Huey, but one is from Sherando Roses. This cultivar does NOT want to grow for me.

*** Robert, we grew RdV for 20 years, despite the fact that it was virused.
(The virus didn't show, but we knew it was there.)
Now, this is one of those cultivars that passed through the hands of
ROY&T, and at least for a while, ALL of it in commerce, I think, was
virused.
You might check to see if Sherando's clone was VI.
If not, that might still be an issue.

I would like to grow RdV again, some day. But only if I can get a
VI clone.

Jeri

Robert, I have a very vigorous and healthy clone of RdV. I haven't "seen" any evidence of virus, but as you know, that doesn't mean it doesn't have it. If you want me to send you cuttings let me know.

Carol

Robert - I have (one) RdV (from Pickering); planted earlier this year; has remained small, but appears to be relatively healthy; no flowers yet; will see what the coming year(s) hold.

Judith, my Reine des Violettes is about 3 years old or so, and it is from The Antique Rose Emporium.
Never any sign of virus.
I don't prune mine, except for dead wood (which hasn't been much of an issue).
It's a very, very large plant.
Mine is 7 ft tall and 6 feet wide, because it is grown on a teepee (which works well).
Really long, flexible, arching canes.
It would be shorter and much wider if allowed to arch without support.
It would be a great rose for pegging, or for training as a "short" climber.
Great fragrance.
Blooms fairly frequently, but of course not nearly as often as a china, tea, etc.
Blooms are beautiful, but not very long-lived, so it's definitely not for a vase.
Mine has never produced a single thorn on its canes.
This rose could be kept much smaller if you were to deadhead its canes.
In my garden, this is a healthy rose ... some leaf drop at times, but not much.
For example, it retains its leaves a lot better than, and has much less blackspot than, my two David Austin English roses or my floribundas.
My only roses that are probably more healthy than my RdV are my teas, chinas, & perhaps my hybrid musk.
This rose is very unique, very "old rose", but NOT for everyone.
I adore it.

Randy

Randy, thanks so much for such good info! I have a couple more questions....I am in Lufkin, close to you. Does this rose burn in the sun - should I give it some afternoon shade? If I chose to keep it a shrub.......would it bloom as much as it would let to grow on a teepee or pegged? My tiny 1 gallon already has a bloom in it, its really healthy and I want to put it in just the right spot....
Thanks!
Judith

Hi, Judith. My RdV is not in the most perfect spot for a rose. It's on the west side of the house, so it gets shade all morning, and full sun from noon until about 6PM. It handles it fine, and I haven't noticed much sun scorch, but would do even better if it got full morning sun and some afternoon shade. And that would extend the life of its blooms, since they are not very long lasting.

I've always allowed my RdV to grow to its natural size & shape, but Hamp prunes his into a shrub. I've seen pics of his, and it looks good and I think he said it blooms pretty well. If anything, the pruning might make it bloom more ... but I don't know for sure since I've only grown mine the one way.

Randy

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Randy, can you pleeze post a pic of RdV growing on the teepee?

I would enjoy seeing that too! And any other photos of the growth habit of RdV. Mine is an own root from Chamblees - so dont know if its virused or not, but for $2......whats to lose? It is a really healthy plant, just bloomed, and I plan to plant it in good rich soil tomorrow.
Judith

I got mine from Chamblees, so I guess it's virused. It's been in the ground 2 years, but it's still small and the blooms are also very small. But we have been in drought conditions and I haven't given it much extra water. I'll give it one more year.

Randy, can you pleeze post a pic of RdV growing on the teepee?

*** I'd love to see that, too.
Ours never made long enough canes to do something like that, but I bet
it's gorgeous.
Is your soil acidic???

Jeri

Mine is 1st year with long skinnny skinny canes, about 5-6 feet tall. Naturally I would prefer that the canes have more girth. How would you suggest pruning it this Spring?

After reading Patrick's posting I had to go check my records to see where I got my RdV. Big sigh of relief! It came from Vintage. I grow mine on a pillar. It has two canes that are reverting back to Pie IX. I'm looking forward to seeing them bloom.

It has two canes that are reverting back to Pie IX.

*** OH! TAKE PHOTOS!

Jeri

I have Pie IX and it is more vigorous and blooms more than my RdV. The following are a couple of pictures from this fall. Unfortunately, my camera does not quite capture the color. It is a little darker and more purple than the photos:

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Here's a pic of my Reine des Violette on its teepee. It has gotten very close to the overhang of our home's roof. It's been a vigorous rose, but not rampant by any means. The canes are very flexible and easy to work with, piece of cake. Jeri, my soil is red clay, it's not the alkaline black clay that Dallas-proper has. But it's probably a lot closer to neutral than acidic. Once in a while, I do see a few chlorotic leaves on my RdV, but the majority of its leaves are a beautiful deep blue-green color. And I love the way its leaves are non-glossy, very matt.

Randy

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Well, that is gorgeous. I love the rose, and I kept it for 20 years (it
finally just "wore out") despite the fact that it did not like my
alkaline conditions, and it never had the vigor yours has.

We had to work constantly to modify the pH, to keep it green, but we
DID get that gorgeous bloom color.
I was just thinking -- it might make a spectacular very big standard.
Wouldn't that be the cat's pajamas?

Jeri

Judith, forgive my hijacking question in advance. Randy, what is the teepee made from? Reebar? And how did you secure it at the top?

Thank you, Randy, for posting this pic; this gives me inspiration for how to give my climbers some support; and also for the enabling push to order RdV. Your RdV is simply beautiful. I'm envious.
-terry

Jeri, yes, that would be great to see it grown as a big standard. I've never tried that with a rose before ... may give it a try some time.

Terry, yes the teepee is made from three pieces of 8 feet long reebar, stuck into the ground about 1.5 feet. I simply secured it at the top with one of those heavy-duty plastic slip-notch ties, and it's held it secure. Wire could easily be used as well. The main canes of the rose are also attached to the bars with similar slip-notch ties, which are black and hardly noticeable through the foliage. This rose has been a perfect specimen for a teepee.

I had thought about trying my Paul Neyron on a similar teepee, but Paul is never full enough or leafy enough to look good. So, I prune PN instead.

I used to grow the tea rose, Adam, and thought about trying the reebar teepee approach with him. But I found out quickly that Adam would have overwhelmed the teepee and probably swallowed it whole.

Of the roses I've grown, RdV is the one that fits this method nearly perfectly for my garden/climate/soil. I'm sure there are other roses out there too though that would suit it.

Randy

Randy, we grow Excellenz von Schubert on a teepee like that, and it seems well-suited to it. That one needs to be pruned some this winter, and re-tied.
We have another climbing rose we call "Dawn Crest,' which is also beautifully suited to this.
Wonderful limber canes, plenty of blooming laterals. Its only flaw is monstrous prickles, which make the tieing process either suicidal, or a 2-person job.

Jeri

Jeri, I put in EvS this spring, so thanks for the heads up. Doubtful it will need a teepee here in Illinois, but it is putting out some long canes. Since it's on a hillside, I'm hoping for a cascading shrub effect.
-terry

Terry, that sounds really lovely. And I bet your soil is better for it than mine.
Peter Lambert -- He made some fine roses.

:-)

Jeri

Joanne, what is the color difference between RdV and Pie IX?
Randy, your Reine is so happy there.

Carla

Carla--RdV is more blue, while Pie IX is more purple. Otherwise, they are very similar of flower. P9 is much darker in person than in my photos. I just looked out the window at P9 and it has that same darkness on the lower part of the inside petals as a dark velvety red (Francis Dubreuil, for example), where P9 is dark pink-purple rather than red. P9 seems to be more robust in its growth as it is putting on long canes much faster than RdV. RdV seems to be more of a delicate grower. So far, P9 seems to bloom more often even in more shade than RdV. It may be that as RdV gains size the bloom time might increase, however. I do like the blooms on RdV better, but I am happy to be growing both roses. I just wish I had a better camera so that I could capture the true color of P9.

So glad I ran across this thread. I have been looking for a support for my Madame Pierre Oger. She has gotten huge. I actually had a large tomato cage on her. My husband just happened to be at home depot when I was reading the thread and called him to pick me up 3 10ft reebar. Well later this morning my lovely lady is now supported with her new tee pee.
Arlene