OGRs versus English types
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Do you have a favorite type of OGR?
Comments (10)Even though I'm still a newbie - 3rd year growing roses - I have a strong favorite. The beautiful BOURBONS. And I'm in your zone, though considerably to the West, and probably drier. I am actually a bit surprised how much I adore the Bourbon class because early on I was sure I would favor the Gallicas with their wild colors, history, and romance. A little later I became obsessed with HPs - their voluptuousness, I suppose. And my first favorite rose was actually the Hybrid Musk, Cornelia - still a sentimental favorite. My Bourbons were slow to start - esp. Zephirine Drouhin, of which I have two - but WOW!!! They are so worth the wait. I have had zero disease problems with them, while my poor gallicas have mildew issues, varying from mild to severe. I only have 3 HPs (General Jacqueminot, Paul Neyron, Souvenir du Dr. Jamain), and none have problems, but they just don't bloom as heavily or repeat as well. I am wondering if maybe the reason I have no disease problems with them is that my climate dries up very suddenly after heavy spring rains. But I really don't know. My reasons for loving them the most: the blooms are equally, if not more, impressive than any of those other highly touted classes. But their spring flush is massive, and their fragrances are much stronger on the average. The only roses I have that are as strongly fragranced as my bourbons are Jude the Obscure (English rose) and Comte de Chambord (Portland). Here is something really neat - before the Great Easter Freeze, my bourbons had all put out jillions of fat buds, all of which were hit and lost, as were so many of my once bloomers, as well. Only, the bourbons took a two week or so break, and came back out with an equally big flush!!! The once bloomers that had buds already when the freeze hit just decided to call it a year, regardless of whether they had one bud or many. I wish I had pics to post. The bourbons I have are Zephirine Drouhin, Madame Ernest Calvat, Louise Odier, Coquette des Blanches, Madame Isaac Pereire, and La Reine Victoria. They are all just awesome, but maybe if I had to pic faves I would choose Louise and CdB for perfection of bloom, purity of color, exquisite fragrance, profusion of bloom, and in the case of CdB, continuous repeat. One more thing - I think their foliage is uniquely pretty (esp. MEC - lovely purple and deep blue-green), and I love how MEC and MIP look when pegged. - a festooned swag. I hope none of the more experienced OGR people are going to tell me that it's too early to tell whether I will continue to escape major problems with these roses...maybe the diseases just haven't found me yet. Good luck!...See MoreWhat led you to OGR's?
Comments (25)When I was very little, my mother was struggling with keeping two climbing Peace roses in good health in the desert of west Texas, in Odessa. They grew on a trellis surrounding the window of my older brother's bedroom. I used to climb up the iron trellis and sit on the shelf under the window to read comic books and swat at the bumble bees that would amble past. Those roses were the size of the dinner plates Mother served us with! Later we moved back to east Texas, near my grandparents home, and I saw other types of roses. My grandmother always had a couple of old "Sweetheart Roses" (Cecile Brunner), and she would point out other old roses, and other heritage plants as well when I or a cousin would show an interest. She was NOT an avid hobby gardener- she had 13 children, (my mother was her middle 7th child), and needless to say, her hands were very full with children, grandchildren, my grandfather, being active in her church, and the Eastern Stars, among other things. She always had a neat, tidy yard, and they grew an enormous vegetable garden to feed the family, kept chickens for eggs and meat, had a couple of cows for milk and butter, etc. Their life style was one of a simpler day, and with very little "cash money", she wasn't about to spend it on flowers for her yard! When she was an old lady, she would smile at the efforts people would go to in order to maintain a St. Augustine lawn, and a bunch of landscaper designed plantings. In her day, passalong plants were about all she and her cronies had, and she loved all of them for the ease of care: plant, water during droughts, and let them fend for themselves! Anyone who lives in the south can recognize what I call the "Granny Yard": a couple of OGRs, some honeysuckle that has to be beaten back every few years to keep it from taking over the world, a wisteria of the same ambitious nature, a magnolia, a pecan, a couple of oaks or ashes, a warty looking "toothache tree", maybe a willow if there is a pond nearby, a bunch of volunteer onions and garlics here and there, oh, and of course the easter lilies of yesteryear in a bed at the back corner of the house... 'Fess up. You have all visited this house! I know you have! In my twenties as a young mother I played at gardening, and suffered disappointment after disappointment when my hybrid teas and grandifloras would croak for lack of high culture. I just could not make myself get too excited about anything that was that high maintenance. One year my mother in law mentioned that one of my sister's in law wanted a "start" of her old "Sweetheart Rose", and asked if I would like one too. That sparked the memory, and soon I had my own little Cecile growing in my yard. I have moved away, and didn't know about cuttings back then, so I didn't preserve that plant through the years. But luckily it is one that is widely available. I filed away for future reference the note that those old garden roses really are tough as an old boot. We bought this home in 1999, and when I was ready to finally start a real garden, I was introduced to the Antique Rose Emporium here in Texas. From there I learned about rose rustling, about all the classes of old roses and the modern shrubs that seem superior to hybrid teas. That was at least 300 roses ago. And counting. ~Allison...See MoreHelp on choosing little to No-spray OGR..
Comments (22)What an interesting thread! Emma, your pictures are lovely. We are no-spray here in the Piedmont of NC. We had some good no-spray luck with General Schablikine and Mrs. Dudley Cross. We just got started with General Gallieni in a band this spring, and had to take out one cane to Rose Rosette Disease, but thus far the remaining part of the rose hasn't had a bit of blackspot. We also had really good luck no-spray with Gruss An Aachen, but perhaps are the only ones who can say that. I'm really sure about Mortimer Sackler for no spray, though it might not have have as many petals as you are looking for. Depending on the season/temperature, it can be nicely fragrant and its blooms always have a lovely delicate look. (The picture on the David Austin website is very accurate.) Of those that we've had on a short-term basis sitting around in pots no-spray and that look something like what you might want/would likely be hardy there, Madame Plantier and Ghislaine De Feligonde kept looking wonderful, whether or not the rose in a nearby pot had blackspot or not. One thing from our experience here, for sure Brilliant Pink Iceberg is a plant to avoid if you'd like to have many leaves during the heat of the summer, at least when growing in partial shade. Ours are coming back now, but it was a shock to see how much they defoliated without spraying. We lost a regular Iceberg and a climbing Iceberg, still in the delivery pots, to Rose Rosette Disease this summer, but I don't think we'll ever try another Iceberg here after seeing what happened to the Brilliant Pink Icebergs. There's a North Carolina website, Amy Padgett's, that might have some suggestions you'd be interested in, since her conditions might be somewhat like yours, only a bit warmer. I'll link it below. All the comments there are interesting, but if you just want her list of roses, click inside the box near the top of the page at the fourth link where it says Roses. Every once in a long while I mention this website to someone, and enroute to pulling up the address, I revisit the site and enjoy her comments again for myself. I was thinking this time about the dog comments... and whether if you are having racoon digging problems, the "Do" solution for her dog's digging might work with a racoon too. Of course, that idea won't help if you don't have a dog. Emma, I'm looking forward to hearing what you plant and maybe seeing how everything looks as the roses continue to grow to beautify your yard and neighborhood. Good luck! Best wishes, Mary Here is a link that might be useful: Amy Padgett's gardening website...See MoreThe found repeating "OGR from Chios island", Greece
Comments (47)Virginia, this might well be the case. But I read the first sentence to mean that the writer got an appointment as a professional (master? head?) gardener in some grand garden in India. There he replaced an amateur (the distinction between amateur vs professional gardeners was very common in Victorian England) who was in (honorary, meaning unpaid as he was not a pro) charge of the gardens before his appointment. I take the explicit reference to the predecessor being an 'amateur' to have been made in order contrast with the writer's professional credentials. My knowledge of Victorian gardening and British colonial practices in India as well as Victorian English is very limited to be counted upon to determine class and intention, so my hypothesis might well be unfounded. With regards to summer dormancy, I am very well aware that this can be the case. I have also advocated and practised severe mid summer pruning (for the kinds of roses that need or can take that) but one thing that was brought forward as a counter argument was the danger of cane sun scald....See Moredublinbay z6 (KS)
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