Thanks everyone! Linda - thanks so much for your suggestions! As for Peaches and Green - when the "suckers" in the center get bigger, do I divide them without roots? It seems that they wouldn't have roots like a regular sucker or baby plant. I definitely think that the PH is an issue. After a conversation with a friend who is a grower (not AV's) he suggested that the chloramine might be affecting the Ph, and that could be the underlining problem of a lot of things. After searching this forum, a lot of people suggest the same - that many problems clear up when the Ph is consistent and the plants get flushed semi-regularly. I flushed my plants with warm water, and they seem to be perkier now. Good start. I'm going to go get some sulfur for the mildew/blight (it could be either or both), and some bottled water and testing strips. For now, I'll water with Poland Springs, and with testing, some vinegar and baking soda, etc..., I'll start using my water again when I figure it out. Or perhaps I'll just stick to bottled water, since I don't have a huge collection. IDK - it's tough to say which one is more expensive or more of a pain. I don't think I should treat the plants. Not inside in the winter. Not with chemicals. I'm disbudding and waiting. I'll keep them disbudded for a while, and in the spring I'll treat them when I can take them outside. I threw out the 3 plants (Noid's) that had more than the others, took cuttings of some of the more "important" plants, and I have to continue and finish up this weekend. Obviously, I am learning the all important lesson about ISOLATION!!! lol It just sucks not having any flowers. That's kind of the point of these plants! Ruffles and Lace is totally stunted. I think I may have to take it totally down to the crown and try to re-root it. Perhaps the leaf to root ratio is way off now. That would make sense. I believe my Tommi Lou is perking up, could do well still. I'd like to take cuttings of LE Adagio and Sagitarius Elite, but the leaves are so unhealthy, I'd be taking down the plant, and I have no idea if the leaves will take. The plants are small, so there's not a lot of selection of leaves. These are starters that haven't done well, so I don't think the yellowing is "natural". Any suggestions? Should I take a couple of leaves and toss the plants? Probably.... I'm posting some pictures of the problems I'm having. I'm think overfertilizing with bad fertilizer (MG), but I'll be switching to the Optimara packets I have. they should last me a while. I think I have 4 or 5 packets. I have some fish emulsion, so thank you for the advice about the variegateds! I think the ph or chloramine (or both) is really an issue. I saw someone (Korina I think ) sign off as an "expert plant murderer". I am totally comforted. In 6 months, I've killed so many, and now I watch them suffer. But, there's nothing like a good hobby! I am hooked. I would order a hundred more if I could! I'm sure I will when I manage to kill these ones.... lol! My new batch from Rob's look so lovely! It was sad to trim the new buds forming. Vanilla Trail, Gundaroo, and Warm Sunshine all had several buds forming. But, alas, I want no more thrips!!! Thanks again, everyone!!! So good to get to know people! Jessica

Rekha, I am sorry that you are still having issues with your roses. i used Conserve but i was told not to use one single spray program. You might want to think about adding Bayer Complete Insect Killer to your program as well. With normal thrips, one usually sprays when you see a problem. But with Chilli Thrips, you need to be more proactive as they can kill the entire plant. I add one or the other of two insecticides to my regular fungicide spray mixture at least every 2 weeks and sometimes weekly depending on the level of activity i see. I spray proactively for this pest. Now for the spotted leaves. about the fungus you are going to have a problem with this time of the year is black spot . You can usually control that well with a combination of fungicides. I am using tebuconazole which is in the BioAdvanced product. I would add mancozeb to the mix. Spray regularly with propiconazole [ similar to tebuconzole ] plus the mancozeb and that works well. so far i have used one but have not mix or change the spray program. There is another type of possibility if you think it is Black spot but it is another called Xanthomonas infection [ a bacteria and not a fungus]. People usually suspect that when [2] chemical combination for black spot does not work. For this problem you need to spray regularly with copper based product called CuPro is mostly used. the best thing to do is to go to a rose society and bring samples of the leaves and show it to a Consulting Rosarian or you can asked them who is a master Rosarian. You get more information better bec i have to do above and i got all the information. I have one rose bush that is highly infected with Thrips and fungal but not BS. I almost lost it but it turn around and i keep cutting off buds and i got lucky bec it is in a pot so i basically isolated it completely so my other roses will not get infected . it is the only rose i spray now. since it got cooler it is looking better. Sometimes i wonder if i need to strip it naked and have all new leaves growing ? jin

I was so happy inside when wait staff told my unruly nephew to sit at the table and stay there when we were having a family meal at a restaurant. His complete lack of good manners and behaviour drive me crazy, especially when I know his grandparents, who tolerate and even indulge this, would never have tolerated it in my daughter 25 years ago. He is so unpleasant to be around, we avoid a lot of family gatherings. Just this past weekend we were visiting MIL when BIL, his wife and nephew arrived. Nephew (9 yo) proceeded to argue with his parents, calling them "Dumb" and similar names, and at one point said, "I'm going to kill you" and jumped onto his father to hit him. (Long before that point my DD would have had a very warm backside.) Aftr they left, my other BIL, the one with the psychology degree, said, "Oh, he's just a kid." This is the attitude that irks me- I've heard it in many places where children misbehave. So at what point do we say, "Well, you're not a kid anymore, good manners and behaviour are mandatory"? And how unfair is it to expect years of ingrained behaviour to just disappear and be replaced by acceptable behaviour? I think it's easier in the long run and much fairer to the person to train them up as you want them to behave from the get-go, and not let them develop bad habits, not unlike training puppies.

You're right Daisy. Running, you said, " I think people responding were simply trying to give you some additional options, the most logical and effective of which is to prevent possibly exposed or infected people from coming into your home until this crisis passes. It's the micro version of why many public gathering places and events are being cancelled-avoiding other people is how to hopefully stop the spread of the virus." But you and others in this thread are still having your house cleaned by someone who could very well be carrying the virus. The client who came over was a one time thing. The person who will be constantly going to your home and other's homes, will be ongoing. Why are housekeepers safer than the one client who came to my house? My head is spinning at the hypocrisy. Those of you who have housekeepers have no idea where they've been, where their families have been. I agree with everything posters have said, but I'm not understanding why some posters are being contrary to my one and hopefully only situation.