Madame Plantier will tolerant partial shade quite easily. Unpruned, expect something along the lines of 6 x 8. It's a bit of a sprawler.

Rugosas are not particularly shade tolerant, and Blanc Double de Coubert isn't one of the exceptions. It's relatively tall and narrow, so maybe 6 x 4.

Thank You Very Much!
Maggie

Hi, Maggie,
I like Madame Plantier very much. Mine is about two years old and is 5x5 or so. I expect her to get much larger here in the southeast.

She is planted at the edge of a strip of pine trees and is shaded for much of the day, with just some morning sun. This is a pic of her last May with a peony. The blooms are very pretty, and I am sorry that you can't really tell anything about the individual blossoms from this pic. She blooms a lot and is very clean in my no spray garden. Here at the end of August, she is still clean. I look forward to her each spring.

I don't know anything about blanc d coubert, I'm sorry.
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Duchesse_nalabama,
I want mine to look natural next to the woods! Your picture settles it in my mind.
I am not going to prop her up I am going to just let her go.
Also my DH thought it would look good to mulch around her even if she is on the edge of the woods.
Looking at your picture I agree with him now.
I realize your mulch is natureal pine needles but it really looks good.
Thank You,
maggie

Maggie,

I trained Mme. Plantier up a rebar teepee, and her canes got about 12-15 ft I think. They were wiry and easy to handle. I moved mine last summer to an area with less sun because the flowers wilted horribly in a few days where I had it planted with blazing afternoon sun.

Mme. Blanc Double de Coubert is much more of a sprawing rugosa for me. It's much wider than tall.

It certainly is interesting how different plants grow differently in different situations for different people.

Robert

I need to create a arbor for some climbing roses, I never thought about making a rebar teepee!
Thank You so much for a good idea!
Maggie

"Blanc Double de Courbet" has savage thorns, I suggest that you plant it a few feet away from any path.

Lux.

Thank is really helpful information. I am going to put them out of the way, exspecially now,
Maggie

Mme Plantier will be FABULOUS as a segue to the wild...
I put mine as the exclamation point of the long HP and Bourbon bed...
I thought it would be easier to see it from a distance once a year when it's in bloom.
Albin

My Blanc Double de Coubert (3 yrs old) is about 3.5 ft tall and 4 ft wide--not as big as I hoped, but maybe it is just a slow grower. I wanted it to get 4-5 ft tall.

It certainly didn't do much of anything its first two years, but it is a satisfactory rose now. However, I wish it were more floriferous, but maybe the problem is that it gets a bit of shade in the afternoons. Don't know if it would bloom more with more sun or not. If I give it an extra watering occasionally, it seems to bloom better.

Love the foliage on it, and it gets no disease of any kind.

Kate (Zone 6 midwest)

Mme. Plantier is a vigorous grower here. In her fourth season she is 8' across and 7' tall. This is with no fertilizer or mulch, just plopped into the lawn and left to Mother Nature.

The last two springs she was covered with blooms. The drawback is that they droop after rain and brown quickly from moisture and sun. The crisped blooms hang on for months until they are covered by new growth. I am planning to move this big girl to a spot where she gets afternoon shade to prolong the bloom period.

It took me 5 years to change my mind about BDdC. I hated it, but we still had so much space to fill in that I didn't want to take one out. Now I adore that rose (of course, we just moved - goodbye to 5 years of patience) now. Blooms all summer and fall. Lovely.

Carol