I left a message yesterday but have yet to receive a response.

Lynn

I'm sure they're still very busy and we'll all get an email in enough time to decide.

Sure wish I could pick them up instead of having them shipped.

Diane

The email has been sent out. Here is the information. It's the perfect opportunity for someone who wants to put together a "funny color" rose garden containing mauves, grays, greens and russets. Thirty years ago, I would have fainted after receiving a list like this! LOL!

For fragrance buffs, you can't do much better than Typhoo Tea, Dolly Parton, Crimson Glory, Lagerfeld and Typhoon. If growing a brown HT you aren't going to find ANYWHERE else is your goal, Black Tea is RARE. I'd read of this for a few years in Combined Rose List. It was created and sold in Japan for a few years, then dropped from commerce. Don and Paula Ballin, exhibitors in Chicago, imported it. Paula hated it and gave it to the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. I contacted Mel Hulse to obtain permission to have cuttings sent to Sequoia, which was given and accomplished. All the Black Tea in the US came from those cuttings. Once it's gone, it's probably gone for good. Kim

Vintage Gardens'

Sale of Gallon Roses

One last sale of exquisite vintage roses
Vintage Gardens' One Last Gallon Sale

Dear Customers,
On Friday, August 23rd our final gallon sized roses will be available to purchase online, to be shipped to you this Autumn. We have a small but sumptuous list, with very limited numbers. Take your time to peruse the list, make some notes and then to place your list online or by email. Please note the requirements for acceptable orders on our list below.

Our plants are all own-root, and they are husky, beautiful plants, ready to put in the ground!
We hope you will enjoy this list, and we thank you for your help in bringing our years of growing roses to a successful close.
-Gregg Lowery

www.vintagegardens.com

Below you will find the list of those one gallon plants of roses that will be available to order on Friday, August 23rd. ORDERS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED UNTIL 8 AM THAT DAY. Orders received before 8 am will be logged in at 10 am on that day.

You may order on our website or via an email. Your email must provide correct mailing/shipping address and phone contact, as well as you preferred fall shipping week. Please contact us with payment information when you receive our confirmation. Orders must be shipped this Autumn, 2013.

These one gallon roses are beautifully grown and ready to ship.

All plants are priced at $30 each plus shipping.

List of Available Roses in One Gallon Pots on Our August Sale
A Félicité Parmentier 1

Fl Blue Bayou 1

Fl Brown Velvet 1

Fl Grey Dawn 2

Fl Iris Webb 1

Fl Lavender Princess 2

Fl Nimbus 2

Fl Peppermint Twist 3

Fl Playboy 1

Fl Tenacious 2

G Eulalie Lebrun 3

G Nouvelle Pivoine 2

HT Angel Bells 1

HT Atomic White 2

HT Baronne Edmond de Rothschild 2

HT Black Tea 3

HT Chivalry 2

HT Colour Wonder 1

HT Crimson Glory 1

HT Dolly Parton VID 1

HT Flaming Peace 2

HT Lagerfeld 4

HT Mint Julep 3

HT Pacific Blue 2

HT Royal Airforce 1

HT Royal Dane 2

HT Saint-Exupery 3

HT Stephen's Big Purple 1

HT Sundowner 4

HT Tropicana 1

HT Twice in a Blue Moon 3

HT Typhoo Tea 1

HT Typhoon 2

HT Veldfire 3

HT Victor Borge 2

HT Yankee Doodle VID 1

LCl Captain Thomas 1

LCl Cherryade 1

LCl Indigoletta 1

N "Mrs. Woods' Lavender-Pink Noisette" 1

N "Natchitoches Noisette" 1

N "Tutta's Pink Noisette" 1

PolCl Renae 1

R Henri Barruet 4

Rug Sir Thomas Lipton 4

S St. Elisabeth of Hungary 1

S/Aus The Knight 1

Sp Rosa palustris scandens 1

TCl E. Veyrat Hermanos 1

TCl "Florence Bower's Pink Tea" 1

TN "Phil Edinger's Noisette" 2

Not JUST odd colors! I'm told that "Phil Edinger's Noisette" is aka "Glen Blair," -- AND it is believed to be a dwarf form of 'Mme. Alfred Carriere.'

It stops at an upright, slightly-spreading 5-ft in Joyce Demits' garden. This is a rarity which should not be lost. (See below)

Jeri

There really are some nice roses on that list. I have a lot of them. I was really tempted by Phil Edinger's Noisette.

Lagerfeld is a nice tall HT with a wonderful Lemony Damask perfume. It produces clusters of slender elegant silvery lavender buds but if you pinch the side ones off, you get one large beautiful long stemmed bloom. They open kind of quickly in hot weather but the repeat bloom is very good. This is a tall but not wide plant. I have enjoyed mine very much. I prefer the other name for it "Starlight".

This post was edited by kittymoonbeam on Wed, Aug 21, 13 at 20:43

I sure hope that who ever gets Phil Edinger's Noisette and Florence Bower's Pink Tea offers cuttings of them!

I would like to try for both, but figure that includes me and a few dozen others. :)

Well I placed an order for Florence Bower, but it did not go in until 9:30. There was trouble with our train last night and we did not get home from the ball game until very late, and I slept late as well. I am at peace with it either way. I would enjoy having this rose, but I really do have enough roses already.

I got my order in right at 8am - 10am Texas time. But bet I dont get my first choices....but like Rosefolly - I have enough and am OK with whatever I get, if anything. I did order another Messire Delbard last week. I got this in a recent order, it had a big bud on it, it opened the next day and the beautiful chinese red bloom is still on the band! This is really a pretty thing and one I would like to have a duplicate of. Hope its still available. I did order 4 more bands at that time...Its sad to think of opening that very last Vintage box.

I do have a Florence Bower - and will be glad to share cuttings one day when it gets big enough [providing it lives!] I had a Looping that was doing really well in the ground - something happened this summer - it sickened and died quickly, so no other sources for that one. Cant win em all.
Judith

I'm anticipating the arrival next month of a small shipment of Vintage's import roses. As Alameda said, opening that final box from Vintage is sure to be a bittersweet moment. What a great loss.

Compounding that loss is the inevitable disappearance of the Vintage website. I'm really dreading the moment when I attempt to log-on, only to find that it's no longer there. I've come to be almost as dependent on the Vintage site as a source of information as I am on HMF. Fortunately, most of the Vintage descriptions (including the illustrations of growth habit) are available in their printed catalog of roses. I'm sure to be pulling that already well-worn book off the shelf with great frequency in the years ahead.

I am hoping that the Wayback Machine will preserve the Vintage website. They can't save everything, of course. But this would be well worth being included.

Rosefolly

Windeaux, have you heard anything at all regarding the Sept. shipment of imported roses? I've never heard anything, am wondering if they even got my order.
Thanks!
ogrose

OGRose, I have had several communications about the import roses. The first let me know that one of my roses would not be available. Another let me know that I would hear soon, and the third told me that there is to be a shipment this fall. If I were you, I would sent an email of inquiry right away. Let's hope that there was merely an error in your email address.

Rosefolly

Thanks, Rosefolly, I sent them an email; I suspect that they didn't get my order; disappointing, but I really do have more than enough roses!

I was informed some months ago that my two import rose choices were not available, and wrote back and said I would take whatever I could get; I got a nice return e-mail from Greg. If none are available I'm happy to let them keep my payment from two years ago; it's little enough for the roses and enjoyment I've had from Vintage.

Ingrid

OGRose: Like Rosefolly, I received notification about import roses I ordered that would NOT be available. All of those (a total of three roses) were in the Hook & Ducher group that did not survive the export/import process.

I've not heard anything definitive about one other rose from Hook & Ducher or about one from the Loubert group, so I'm assuming (HOPING) that those two are awaiting their Sept. release date.

I've also not heard any word on two custom root orders I placed well over a year ago. I've not inquired because I know things must be REALLY hectic/stressful at Vintage these days.

I heard this afternoon that I did not get the Florence Bower rose. My hopes had not been high so I was not very disappointed. I'm sure the gardener who gets it will treasure it.

Rosefolly

I did not receive the rose I wanted either, and sent my order when the clock struck 8.

I do not have any roses from Vintage; kind of missed out being a late-comer to OGR's. Being able to order from them would have been a little something extra; special. I enjoy perusing and reading about the different roses on their website, which in time will disappear too. It is sad......

Vintage seemed like the total package. Some places have a great selection of roses, but their websites and methods for placing orders leave a lot to be desired; especially in 2013. Then there are those with nice websites and easy ordering, but their selection just doesn't match the others; especially in terms of OGR's and rare roses.

I wonder if any of the suppliers will rise to take their place? Or am I missing something... someplace?

Lynn

I doubt you'll ever see another "Vintage". It's a business model doomed to fail. The only successful ones going forward will be the Pickerings, Heirlooms, Burlingtons, etc., who have already discarded the problem varieties, and who focus only on those they CAN successfully produce, sell and make money on. It simply isn't commercially viable to have thousands of varieties available, or even in a collection to maintain, in hopes of ever getting them propagated and sold. Kim

Burlington does have nice selection. Ordering was an email and a phone call; she is very pleasant , but the process of getting a list of inventory etc. may not be convenient for some people. I know once I am out of convalescence mode, the process could be a challenge for me.

I am not familiar with Pickering other than reading that they do not ship here? I find that Heirloom' s website is pretty good . I have never ordered anything from them only to be informed that they do not have it. I have read where some fear that they are skewing toward modern roses?

I have just re-entered rose growing, more seriously, and have been seeking roses that are unavailable at local nurseries. The future should be interesting, I believe on multiple levels.

Lynn

This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Sun, Aug 25, 13 at 1:07

Lynn

Order Vintages Catalog while you have a chance. It is a great reference.

Once my little Vintage Roses get big enough to offer cuttings of them, I plan on making sure I share them.

Kippy-the-Hippy,

I am eagerly anticipating the V.C. catalog arrival:) It is members like you that help to keep these very special roses around.

Lynn

Uh, who has used a good web site saver? I've been looking but am not familiar with them. Been laboriously saving page by page--tedious.

Think Firefox has one & I used to use SamSpade but it's been awhile.

I am not very computer savy......but I am wondering if, rather than saving page by page, I think the catalog has the same information in it, and perhaps if the photos that are not in the catalog could be saved in an album, it might be a space saving way to save the information. I do have the catalog and prize it highly. But if the photos could be saved, that would be a huge help to compare them with the catalog information.

I heard from Gregg that I got "several" on my gallon sale list and am waiting to hear. I also ordered several more from the website - hope I get them also. I guess the gallon sale will be the actual last order for me from Vintage. I think back of all the wonderful roses that were available some years ago. I ordered lots but now I wish I had ordered so many more. I wish some of the other vendors like Rogue Valley, Heirloom, Roses Unlimited, etc. would buy rights to cuttings of these marvelous roses and offer them........the roses have to be pruned anyway, and it would be a way to make a little money from the new enterprise - and get the rare roses back into commerce. How I hate the closing of this respected and unique nursery!!!
Judith

That's one of the main problems, Judith, IF these things sold sufficiently to make offering them profitable, they would be available. Historically, there hasn't been the kind of demand this going out of business feeding frenzy has created. If there had been, there likely wouldn't be a "going out of business feeding frenzy." Kim

Rosefolly, I suspect the chances of the Vintage website being available on the Wayback Machine are slim to none (and if I had money to bet, I'd place it on the 'none').

Another terrific reference resource was P. Zimmerman's Ashdown Roses website -- most especially the encyclopedia section with photos and detailed descriptions of all the roses in the Ashdown collection. Try accessing that on the Wayback Machine.

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure what Wayback is really good at. If any of you use it routinely & are pleased with the results, kindly educate me.