Jen's Munk, Rosa Gallica, Tuscany Superb

thorngrower sw. ont. z5

15 years ago

Hi Shelley, I grow Jens Munk in Z5 so I'm not sure if our experiences will be the same. Mine is 10 yrs old now. It had a ruff start when i 1st planted him. The 1st year he got a bit of rust so being new to roses i sprayed LoL didn't know rugosa's don't like to be sprayed. Same thing the 2nd year, so i chopped him to the ground and forgot about him. Always planned on digging him out. Well Jens Munk is now an 8x8 shrub. Always the 1st rose to bloom for me. Excellent repeat, no diease except the 1st two years and who knows what it had i knew nothing then. It gets about 7-8 hours of sun here. So i don't know how it does in a shadier location. It doesn't need heavy feeding, hand full of granular feed once a year and composted manure.It doesn't like wet weather when it blooms,and hot weather will shorten its bloom period quite abit. Hope that helps.
Here's a pic......mark

shellfleur
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15 years ago

Hi Mark, thanks for that information. Is Jen's Munk the one blooming pink in the picture? I love it! Do you prune it pretty severely or just let it grow? Do you deadhead it? Thanks again, Shelley

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Hey, Christopher. You've received so many replies that I'm not sure I can add a lot except, reading through the responses, I don't think I saw a reference to the one tip that can be super helpful even when there's adequate space for own-root spreaders. You might have done the following for years, but in case not, use any of the following info if or as you need it. MysteryRose's General Rose Bully Tip: I've found that many gallicas and other classes have canes that look almost identical at various stages (or always). I'd recommend spacing the plants far enough apart to keep them delineated. Then stay on top of the suckering during BLOOM TIME, the time when you can positively ID the canes that are sneaking up a foot (or much, much more) from the mother plant, smack in the middle of another variety--usually one that was very expensive to ship across the country, special ordered and rooted just for you, or long-awaited and lusted after. Otherwise, after you blink, you'll suddenly realize that 3/4 of the bed is Charles and your precious variety has been reduced to a single cane waving frantically in the sea of creeping stolons. I sharpen my shovel for stolon slicing. I hope I never hit my foot, but I take precautions. I don't gallica (or Indigo) garden without boots and heavy gloves. I also have an ancient, beater pruning saw that I use when it's more convenient, I'm afraid of damaging the parent plant, or I just can't tell where the heck that volunteer came from but I sure as heck know where it is. Sometimes my gallica (and Portland damask) beds become stoloniferous super highway spaghetti bowls. FYI: my Botzaris doesn't sucker like crazy...just a pop-up here and there near the plant. (Knock on wood.) Hope this reply helps. You have a wonderful garden space. I'm so excited for your new project! Please give Sammy a little head scratch for me. Mad Gallica--WOW! Ooo, ahhh, pretty, pretty, wow! :-) Carol

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I have the same Gallica, except sub Sissinghurt Castle for Tuscany Superb. The whole yard is in filtered shade in winter. The roses get full sun (i.e. 6+ hours) 6-8 months of the year. Camaieux started too much in the shade (in 2006) and stayed puny; I moved it to more sun -- still not a lot -- and it's done better. The others were planted as bands in the fall of 2007. Sissinghurst Castle is nearby and it's also ok. Apothecary and Rosa Mundi are doing great -- they get the most sun. Suckers are appearing here and there. I'm not sure what to tell you. The ones in more sun are doing better. The foliage looks better, too. The others are passable. Mike

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I was deadheading the roses when I photographed the last bloom on the Duchesse de Montebello, which was particularly luminescent (China heritage?). Phone can't really capture. Here she is in her glory -- Kathleen in background The pretty duchesse was the wife of the young & dashing General Jean Lannes, Napoleon's favorite general, who was given the victory title of Duke of Montebello after his victory in a battle of that name in Lombardy, Italy, in 1800. (Unlike his predecessors, Napoleon, whatever his faults, believed in rewarding people on the basis of merit, rather than birth, and he also instituted half-pay pensions for the military. This made him a favorite with liberals, including some breeders of roses.) Marechal Lannes died in battle in 1809. Below, his widow with their five children. (Please excuse my pedantry) .

thorngrower sw. ont. z5

15 years ago

Yes its the one blooming in the picture. I've never pruned it, except for dead wood. I let it grow naturally, its at the back of my property so i want it to be the tallest. I have John Cabot back there as well. I never deadhead any of the rugosa's i grow.. they just push out new growth and rebloom fron there. So at times you can have hips and blooms at the same time. I was just out looking at Jens Munk it doesn't set alot of hips but there are some real big fat orange ones this year....mark

shellfleur
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15 years ago

Mark, your Jen's Munk is absolutely gorgeous! I have a place for it where I could let it get really big but I will most likely try to keep it a bit smaller than 8ft. Hopefully it will let me do this! Thanks again, Shelley

olga_6b

15 years ago

Rosa gallica, I assume you are talking about Apthecary rose. It is very healthy in my garden. Grows into shrub approx 4 feet tall and 6 feet wide. Looks good even now, no crud or anthing like this. Blooms are beautiul and fragrant.
Tuscany Superb has incredible color. Also vwery healthy. My is planted where it gets only 3-4 hours of sun in summer, but more sun in winter. It is quite happy. My TS is` quite big, bigger then Apothecary rose. Both are excellent roses.
Olga

len511

15 years ago

olga, there is an r. gallica that is a different rose. I got mine this spring as a band and it is still on the small side.

shellfleur
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15 years ago

Thanks Olga, I think the correct name was Rosa Gallica Officianalis. So I think that's Apothecary Rose. I didn't realize that Tuscany Superb gets so big. My other two gallicas (Belle de Crecy and Belle sans Flatterie) have stayed so small...not even three feet tall and maybe only a foot wide...after three years. I did get Charles de Mills this year and it is already huge in comparison, but it was grafted from Pickering vs. own root like the others. How big would you say that your Tuscany Superb gets? How long does it bloom for?

olga_6b

15 years ago

Len, I know there is r gallica, but I was suspecting that Shelly got oficinalis, that is why I asked.
Shelly, Actually your BsF will get big with time, 6x7 or more. Belle de Crecy mature size in my garden is 5x6. Both are grafted from Pickering.
Tuscany is similat in size to CdM for me. I would say 6 feet high and 7 wide. But I do prune my gallicas in late winter taking approx 1/3 off. So in spring they are much smaller, but but by the end of summer they reach the size I mentioned. It is hard to say exact size because they all are planted quite close and this actually limits their growth now. I think they all would be bigger given more space. Gallicas in mild climate are not smal. My biggest one, Gloire de France is probably 8x8 now.
Olga

shellfleur
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15 years ago

Olga, the size of your rose bushes amazes me. I can't even imagine my scrawny little belle de crecy or belle sf ever getting that big. I think that for whatever reason, some roses on their own roots stay a lot smaller than grafted ones. For example, my own root Abe Darby is five years old and has never gotten more than 3 feet tall x 3 feet wide. It always bloomed amazingly and was given great sun, good food...but no matter what, it always stayed small. I've noticed this iwth some other ownroot roses. When I've gotten grafted ones, they took off immediately and gotten huge. I don't know...just my observations. I remember that Mad Gallica, who lives near me, had said the same thing years ago and I have come to believe that it's true. I try to get most of my roses from Pickering now, though I just recently ordered some own root ones. Hope I don't regret it. Thanks as always for your help, Shelley

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