Deron, they backorder. Or at least, that's what Vintage did for me. I was thrilled, as I didn't want a substitute. I listed no alternative roses on my order. They have told me my backordered 'Pretty Jessica' will ship later when it has built up more size. I received wonderful customer service from them. Sammy, for me here in Texas, it is kind of expensive to order from Vintage. But for roses I can't find at The Antique Rose Emporium, I will continue to go to Vintage & Roses Unlimited. Both places have sent me fantastic looking roses and give excellent customer service. I'm sure Ashdowns & some of the others are just as good, but I haven't tried them yet. Except I did get my Tea Rose book from the great people at Ashdowns. Randy

Please use the new posted list, thanks.

2004 “FOUND” ROSES LIST REVISED Effective as of March 2004, the Rose magazine clarified what “found” roses can be exhibited in ARS rose shows, awarding ARS ribbons or certificates. Unless a rose is listed in the 2004 AEN, it may not be exhibited. If a rose show has a special class for “found” roses, they may be exhibited strictly for educational value, no ARS awards. Listed below is a list of “found” roses that can be used as a reference. Roses were researched from ARS publications, and crosschecked against the Combined Rose List (CRL) publications. Changes were made if noted in “Rose Registrations” column, Correction s/ Additions /Deletions. Additional corrections will be made as information becomes available An (*) indicates “found” roses that were in a CRL publication from 1995 to 2004 but were not in MR XI. ( ) indicates “found” roses that have an official “AEN”, are listed in the 2004 AEN and can be exhibited. BY: Ronald Schwerdt 12-6-04 ABBANDONATA>>>(LAURE DAVOUST)----HMult----LP----1834 AGNES SMITH--------------------------------------------------*----T----DP (AH MOW)-----------------------------------------------------------T------LP AL MOISE------------------------------------------------------------N-----LP ALDINGLOW---------------------------------------------------------HT---M (ALICE VENA)-----------------------------------------------G----M---1867 ALICJA---------------------------------------------------------*----LCl----LP ALMOST BLACK>>>>>>>>>>(OKLAHOMA)----HT----DR---1964 AMBASCIATORE MARCO FRANCISCI------------------------T----LP AMBER DELIGHT----------------------------------------------*----S---AB AMELIA ANDERSON>>>>>>>>>>(DR GRILL)----T----OP----1886 AMELIA’S ORANGE----------------------------------------*----HT----OB AMELIA’S RED----------------------------------------------*----HT----MR AMY POWEL----------------------------------------------------------F----OP ANDREO VETTORI-------------------------------------------------T----MP (ANGEL’S CAMP WHITE)-----------------------------------------T-----W ANITA’S APRICOT FANTASY-------------------------------Min----AB ANITA’S BRIAR ROSE---------------------------------------------S----LP ANITA’S PINK SPLASH-----------------------------------------Min----PB (ANITA’S QUARTERED TROPICANA)>>>>>>>HT----MR----1998 ANNA’S RED GLORY--------------------------------------*----HT----MR ANNA’S YELLOW GLORY-------------------------------------*------YB (ANNAN’S ORCHARD)-------------------------------------------M----DP ANNIE’S RED---------------------------------------------------------F---DR ANTOINETT’S HP------------------------------------------*-----HP----DP ANTONIA’S TEA----------------------------------------------*-----T----PB (APRICOT CHINA)----------------------------------------F----MR---1996 ARCADE PINK GLOBE-------------------------------------------N-----LP ARCADIA LOUISIANA TEA-------------------------------------T-----PB ARCATA LIGHT YELLOW WICHURIANA-------------------R----LY AUNT BELLES TEA------------------------------------------------T----PB AUNTIE’S FAVORITE MISTAKE-----------------------------LCl---DR AUNTIE’S FAVORITE-------------------------------------------HT----DR (AXELINE)---------------------------------------------------------LCl----MP B H S FREDERICK SCHOOL------------------------------------*-----MP B H S MARY WASHINGTON------------------------------------*----MP BABSON PARK-----------------------------------------------*-----S-----W BAILEY RED--------------------------------------------------------F----MR BARBARA RUTHERFORD----------------------------------------------W BARBARA’S WHITE POLY------------------------------*----POL----W BARTON SPRING CHNIA--------------------------------*----CH-----LP BATY’S PINK PILLAR-----------------------------------------LCl----MP BAYLESS LARGE PURPLE--------------------------------------*------M BAYLESS PURPLE POMPON-----------------------------------*------M BEALES MON’S TILLIER---------------------------------------T-----MR BEALES’ THE BRIDE>>>>(BRITISH QUEEN)-----HT----W---1912 BEAUJOLA’S TEA---------------------------------------------*----T----AB (BEAUTE INCONSTANTE)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T-----MP----1892 BEAUTIFUL BLACK---------------------------------------------HP-----DR BECKER STREET-------------------------------------------------HT-----OP BELFIELD-----------------------------------------------------------CH------R BELMONT FLORIBUNDA-----------------------------------*-----F----OP BELMONT HYBRID TEA-----------------------------------*----HT----MP BELMONT ORANGE---------------------------------------*----POL----OB BELMONT PINK---------------------------------------------*----POL----PB BELMONT RED----------------------------------------------*---POL----MR BELMONT YELLOW---------------------------------------*----POL----YB BERKELEY BOTANIC SINGLE CREAM-------------------*----R----W BERMUDA’S ANNA OLIVER--------------------------------*----T----PB BERMUDA’S CATHERINE MERMET---------------------------T-----W BERMUDA’S EMMIE GRAY-------------------------------------------HCh BERMUDA’S KATHLEEN------------------------------------------S----MR BERMUDA’S THANKSGIVING SCARLET---------------------*----CH BERNICE MITCHELL’S ROSE---------------------------*-----POL----M BERYL----------------------------------------------------------------HT----LY BIANCA DI CORBARA-----------------------------------------*----T----W (BLACK BOURBON)------------------------------------------------B-----DR BLACKSTONE---------------------------------------------------*----T----DR BLANK HP-----------------------------------------------------------HP-----MP BLOOMFIELD CEMETERY TEA----------------------------------T----AB (BLUE MIKEY)--------------------------------------------------------HP----M BLUSHING DAMSEL---------------------------------------------*----S---LP BOB’S BIG BLOUSEY>>>>>>(MEDALLION)-----HT----AB----1973 BOB’S KOSTER-----------------------------------------------POL---------DP (BONEYARD YELLOW)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>F-----MY-----1996 BONNIE’S LITTLE DORTHMUND-----------------------*-----S-----MR BOOKKEPPER YELLOW------------------------------------*---HT----YB BOUQUET OF HEAVEN---------------------------------Misc OGR----PB BOUTIN RED BOURBON------------------------------------------B----DR (BREEZE HILL)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LCl-----AB---1926 BRENDA NASH PINK CLUSTER---------------------*----HMult----DP BRIGHTSIDE CREAM-----------------------------------------*----M----W BRIGHTSIDE RAMBLER----------------------------------------LCl----OR BRONTE------------------------------------------------------------LCL----DY BROWN STREET---------------------------------------------------*-----HCh (BRYAN FREIDEL PINK TEA)------------------------------------T-----PB (BRYTE WHITE)---------------------------------------------------HT------W BUCK YELLOW RUSTLER------------------------------------*----S----W BURBANK WHITE RAMBLER------------------------------HWich----W (BUSH GARDEN C)L---------------------------------------------LCl-----OP BUTLER’S VISCOUNTESS FOLKESTONE-------------------*-----HT (BUZZY’S WHITE SEEDLING)-----------------------------------N-----W CALDWELL PINK PET CL----------------------------------CL CH----MP CALDWELL PINK>>>>>>>>>>>>>(PINK PET)---CH----MP---1928 CALIFORNIA CRIMSON CHINA-------------------------*----CH----DR CAMPANELLA-------------------------------------------*-----LCl-------MP (CAMPANILE)------*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LCl-----DP----1967 CANARY ISLANDS---------------------------------------------HGal-----M CARINA-----------------------------------------------------------*----S----MP CARL LUHN’S AUTUMN-TAFFETA--------------------------HT----OB CARMEN SILVA---------------------------------------------*-----HT-----W CARNATION-----------------------------------------------------HCh-----MP (CAROUBIER)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HWich------MR----1912 CATHERINE GHISLAINE--------------------------------------*----P----LP (CATHERINE GHISLAINE)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>D----M----1885 (CATHRINE KORDES)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HT-----DR-----1930 CATO’S CLUSTER--------------------------------------------------N------W CATO’S PINK CLUSTER-----------------------------------*-----N------LP CELEBRATION 98----------------------------------------------*----R----LY (CELIE’S SLIDELL PINK, CL)--------------------------------CL T-----LP CENTER STREET ORANGE TEA----------------------------*----T---DY CERISE MARGO--------------------------------------------------POL----DP (CERISE NIGHTS)---------------------------------------------------S-----DP CHAMPAGNE ARCHES------------------------------------------LCl----LP CHARLES PUGH’S------------------------------------------*-----LCl----PB CHARLES WALKER’S MIGNONETTE-----------------------POL----W CHARLESTON GRAVEYARD---------------------------------CH-----RB CHEROKEE BELL-----------------------------------------------*----S----W CHESTER---------------------------------------------------------*-----N---LP CHICO PURPLE ROSE---------------------------------------*------R----M (CHINATOWN MOSS)----------------------------------------------M---RB CHRIS’S SUNSHINE>>>>>>>>>>(PEACE)-----HT-----MY-----1945 CINDERELLA----------------------------------------------------*-----B---W CINDY’S UNION ST BOURBON-------------------------*----B------MP CLIMBING OPHELIA TYPE----------------------------*----Cl-HT----PB (CLOVE SCENTED MUSK)----------------------------Misc OGR -----W COLLAGE AVENUE # 10---------------------------------------- HT---DP COLLAGE AVENUE COLUMBIA------------------------------HT---YB COLORADO GOLD-------------------------------------------*---LCl---YB COLORADO SEMI-DBL--------------------------*-----Misc OGR----MP COLORADO SINGLE WHITE--------------------*-----Misc OGR----W (COMTESS DE LACEPEDE)----------------------------------HGal----DR (COMTESSE RIZA DU PARC)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T-----MP-----1876 CONSUELO---------------------------------------------------------HT----MR COOKEVILLE PINK CLUSTER-----------------------*-----HMult※MP CORAL LIGHTS--------------------------------------------*------HT----OP CORNWALL PINK RAMBLER-----------------------------*-----R----PB COTTAGE APRICOT----------------------------------------*----HT----AB (COX’S PINK POL)----------------------------------------------POL----MP (COX’S RED POL)----------------------------------------------POL-----MR CRAWFORD GALLICA--------------------------------------*-----G----PB CREEKSIDE MANOR TEA----------------------------------*-----T----MP CRESTLINE MULBERRY----------------------------------------HP----MP CRIMSON GALLICA------------------------------------------HGal-----MR CRISSY---------------------------------------------------------------HT----OB CROMWELL ROSE--------------------------------*----Misc OGR-----DP CROMWELL SCHOOL---------------------------------Misc OGR-----RB (CRYSTAL’S DOUBLE DARK RED)---------------------------HT---DR (CUNNINGHAM LADY BANKS)>>>>>>>>>>>>>S-----LY----1900 (CUNNINGHAM WEST CLIMBER)>>>>>>>>>>>>N----LY---1900 DAD’S PINK HILL>>>>>>>>>(SIMPLICITY)-----F------OP----1990 DADDY’S PINK>>>(GREAT MAIDENS BLUSH)-----A---W---1738 DALE’S PINK GlOW------------------------------------------HMsk----MP DALE’S PINK MINI CLIMBER------------------------Cl Min--------MP DALE’S RAGGED PINK---------------------------------Misc OGR---MP DAMASK OF GLENDORA----------------------------------------P----MP (DAMIEN’S AMULET TEA)-------------------------------------T------LP DARK PINK CL CHINA--------------------------------*-----Cl Ch----DP DARK PINK HYBRID TEA--------------------------------*----HT----DP DARLOW’S ENIGMA>>>(DARLOW’S ENIGMA)-----HMsk-----W DAVENPORT RAMBLER--------------------------------*----LCl-----OR DELILA--------------------------------------------------------*-----HP---MP DEM BLAKKEN--------------------------------------------*----Misc OGR DEODATA----------------------------------------------------*------R----AB DIAN’S PINK WONDER------------------------------------*----HT---MP DIANE’S GOLDEN-------------------------------------------*----HT---DY DIANE’S YELLOW CLIMBER-----------------------------*---LCl---MY DICK’S APRICOT RAMBLER------------------------------HWich---AB DON JUAN PINK ROOTSTOCK----------------------------------*----LP (DOROTHY’S FRONT PORCH)------------------------Misc OGR----R DOUBLE PLUM-------------------------------------------------HCh------M DR BILL CHAPMAN>>(VETERAN’S HONOR)---HT----DR---1999 (DR LANDE)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LCl-----DP----1902 (DUC DE FITZJAMES)-------------------------------HGal----DR---1885 (DUC DE GUICHE)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HGal-----M----1835 DUSSI-------------------------------------------------------------------N----W DUTCH FORK CHINA--------------------------------------------CH---RB ED WILKINSON MOSS--------------------------------------*----M----MP ED’S PINK MOSS---------------------------------------------*-----M----DP (EDINGER WHITE)------------------------------------------------HP-----W (EDITH KRUSE)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HT-----W---1930 EL DORADO CEMETERY SHORT MOSS----------------------------M (EL DORADO)----------------------------------------------------HT-----MY ELEGANT GALLICA-----------------------SEE ELEGANT----G----MP ELEVEN------------------------------------------------------*----LCl-----DR ELIZABETH LAWRENCE----------------------------------*----LCl---MP ELSPETH HANNAH---------------------------------------*------HT-----DP EMMA’S WILD----------------------------------------------------*----S---W EMMIE GRAY-----------------------------------------------------CH-----MR ENGELBERT’S WHITE CLUSTER------------------------*----LCl----W (ENGLISH VIOLET)--------------------------------------------------S----DP (ETOILE DE FEU)--------*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HT-----OP----1921 EUREKA LEMON-----------------------------------------------------*----MP (EVANGELINE)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HWich-----PB----1906 (EVONA’S GALLICA)-------------------------------------------HGal----PB EVONA’S YELLOW-----------------------------------------------HT----YB (FAIRLIE RED)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HT-----OP-----1937 FAIRMONT RED-------------------------------------------------*----S---MR FAIRMOUNT PROSPERINE------------------------------------*----S---M (FASHION CL)------*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CL F---OP----1955 FERNDALE RED CHINA------------------------------------------------HCh FERNDALE YELLOW CL------------------------------*----CL HT----MY FEWELL’S NOISETTE-----------------------------------------------N----LP FIDDLETOWN CHERRY--------------------------------------*----T---MR FIDDLETOWN PINK NOISETTE---------------------------HMult----MP FIDDLETOWN WHITE MOSS----------------------------------*---M---W FIELDS OF THE WOOD--------------SEE KOCHER RED---LCl---MR FLAMINGO GARDEN TEA------------------------------------------------T FLORA #2---------------------------------------------------------*----R----LP (FLORANCE RAMBLER)-----------------------------------HWich-----LP FLORENCE BOWER’S PINK TEA--------------------------*--CLT※PB FLUSHING CREEK POL------CHARLES WALKER MIGNONETTE FOOTLIGHTS------------------------------------------------------POL-----W FORESTVILLE HYBRID GIGANTEA----------------------------*----LY FOUND FANCY--------------------------------------------------R--------MP FRANCES GRATE’S TEA-------------------------------------------*----PB FRANCES LYNN-------------------------------------------*----POL-----MP (FRASERS PINK MUSK)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>N----LP----1818 (GENERAL ALLARD)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B----DP----1835 GEORGETOWN GATESIDE YL>>>>(SOLFATERRE)-----N----1843 GEORGETOWN LEMON WHITE---------------------------*---CLT---W GEORGETOWN NOISETTE------------------------------------------*----N GEORGETOWN TEA-----------------------------------------------T-----PB GEORGETOWN>>>>>>>>>>(PRUDENCE ROESER)------HP----PB GILBERT’S PINK--------------------------------------------*----POL---PB GILBERT’S RED----------------------------------------------*---CH----MR GLENARA BESS----------------------------------------------*---HT----MP GLENDORA----HP>>>>>(JOASINE HANET)-----HP----M----GOOD SHEPHERD----------------------------------------------*----N----W (GOURDAULT)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B-----M----1859 GRACE MOORE’S (N)----------THOMASVILLE PINK LAMARQUE GRACEFULL GLORY---------------------------------------------*---S---M GRANDMOTHER’S HAT>>(BARBARA WORL)----B---MP----1991 GRANNY SAVOIE---------------------------------------------HGal-----DR GREATON BEAUTY--------------------------------------------*----T---LP GREATON CEMETARY PINK TEA--------------------------*---T---PB GREATON NOISETTE----------------------------------------------N----LP GREY LADY PINK-----------------------------------------------HT-----MP GUNSIGHT MOUNTAIN RANCH CL-----------------------------*---Cl H R G FABER-----------------------------------------------*-----CH----MR H R G UNKNOW PINK-----------------------------------------HP------DP HAIRCUTTERS PINK CLUSTER----------LCL----JULIA’S PINK HP (HATCHELL BROWN TEA)-----------------------------------------T---LP HATTIE BURTON--------------------------------------------*----LCl----BP HAYNESVILLE PINK CLUSTER---------------------------------N----PB (HEAD OF RIVERS)------------------------------------------------D-----MP HEALDSBURG GLORY------------------------------------------R-------M HEART’S DESIRE PINK--------------------------------------------R----PB HEIDI’S GOLD-------------------------------------------*----CL HT----DY HENRIETTA----------------------------------------------------*------T----M HENRY’S MINI--------------------------------------------*-----Min-----MR HERB GARDEN CHINA------------------------------------------CH----LP HERITAGE BLEU------------------------------------------------*----S----M HI COUNTRY MIGNONETTE----------MOUNTAIN MIGNONETTE HIGHWAY 146---------------------------------------------------*----N----W HIGHWAY 290----Min----MP>>>>>(R. CHINENSIS MININA)----SP HILLINGSDALE CEMETERY--------------------------------*----T----MP HOAG HOUSE CREAM-------------------------------------------- HT----W (HOFGARTNER KALB)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HCh----PB----1913 HOFGARTNER KALB------------------------------------------------S---MP HOMESTEAD BRYANT---------------------------------------------S----AB HOMESTEAD FRANCES MILLER--------------------------------S---MP HOMESTEAD ------------------------------------------------------HP-----MP (HOMESTEAD)----------------------------------------------------HCh----DR HORNBY ISLAND WILD ROSE---------------------------*----SP-----DP HORNBY RAMBLER---------------------------------------------------*---R HORNISH PLOT---------------------------------------------------HP-----RB HORTICO PALE YELLOW---------------------------------*----HT----LY HUDSON CRIMSON---------------------------------------------HP------DR HUILITO-------------------------------------------------------------B------MP HUNTINGTON PINK TEA-----------------------------------------T-----DP HUNTINGTON SEVEN SISTERS---------------------------HMult----MP HUNTINGTON SLATERS CRIMSON CHINA--------------HCh---MR IRWIN LANE-------------------------------------------------------B-------DR ITAVAYLA----------------------------------------------------*----HRg----LP J C FLAT PINK----------------------------------------------------- HT-----LP J E MURPHY’S PINK TEA-----------------------------------------T-----DP J OTTO RIPOFF(LADY MARY FITZWILLIAMS)---HT---LP---1882 (JANE ISOBELLA LITON)-----------------------------------------T-----PB JANET B WOODS-------------------------------------------------Ayr-----W JARIS HUDSON--------------------------------------------*----Min-----MP JASMINE---------------------------------------------*-----Misc OGR----LP JAY’S HUDSON CRIMSON--------------------------------*----HP----DR JAY’S HUDSON HYBRID PERPETUAL----------------------HP---MR JAY’S HUDSON MOSS-------------------------------------*-----M-----DP JEAN’S PINK BUTTONS-----------------------------------*----POL----M JEAN’S RED------------------------------------------------------*----F---MR JEANNE NUSSLOCK’S RED--------------------------------*---HT---MR JEFFERSON ROSE--------------------------------------------*-----S----LY JEKYLL’S OWN RAMBLER---------------------------------------R----W JIM’S FENCE CORNER>>(BLUSH NOISETTE)-----N----W----1817 JIM’S RED PERFUME---------------------------------------*---HT----MR (JOHN KEMP)-------------------------------------------------HWich-----W JOHN WICKLIFFE-----------------------------------*------HWich-----LP JOHNSON STREET GIANT----------------------------------LCL-----MP (KAROL’S ROSE)-------------------------------------------------Min---MP KATHY NEWTON PINK CLUSTER-------------------*----POL----MP KATHY NEWTON WHITE-----------------------------------*----R----W KATHY ROAD PINK>>(CAREFREE BEAUTY)----S----MP---1977 KATHY’S 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DELIGHT----------------------------------*----T---MP MRS OSWIN’S GIGANTEA------------------------------*----HEg----MP MRS PRICE--------------------------------------------------------POL----PB MRS VILLOTTI’S PINK------------------------------------*----POL---LP MRS WATSON MOSS>>>>>>>>>>(ALOHA)---Cl HT---MP---1949 MRS WOODS LAVENDER------------------PINK NOISETTE--N---M MRS. 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It's hard to ID red HTs for a few reasons: 1) they tend to be bred toward a standard, and so will tend to look rather similar when from a particular era; 2) red roses are notoriously difficult to capture accurately with digital cameras, especially on cell-phones; 3) one of the ways to help narrow it down is by fragrance, which can be less strong in new plants and is subject to personal interpretation. I, too, have a thing for the fragrant dark-red and crimson HTs, and have a little pot-pet collection starting. The less vigorous ones are in 15" pots, while the others are in 22" resin barrels (from Home Depot, $20 each). Mine are all own-root, which is a plus when growing in pots since I don't want the extra vigor from rootstock. This is my current inventory, including from which nursery I purchased it. Unfortunately, Vintage Gardens is closed now, but if you search the names on HelpMeFind, you can see other nurseries carrying what I got from them. Roses Unlimited sells gallon-sized plants, while the others all came as band-sized plants. Also note that some are very old, and thus won't likely look like what you "expect" from HTs. 'Big Ben' (1964) -- Roses Unlimited (barrel) 'Chateau de Clos Vougeot' (1908) -- Rogue Valley Roses (pot) 'Chrysler Imperial' (1952) -- Vintage Gardens (barrel) 'Crimson Glory' VID (1935) -- Roses Unlimited (pot) 'Heart's Desire' VID (1942) -- Roses Unlimited (pot) 'Mirandy' VID (1944) -- Vintage Gardens (barrel) 'Mister Lincoln' VID (1964) -- Roses Unlimited (barrel) 'Night' aka 'Lady Sackville' (1921) -- Vintage Gardens (pot) 'Nigrette' (1934) -- Rogue Valley Roses (pot) -- note that this is also sold as 'Louis XIV' 'Nocturne' VID (1947) -- Vintage Gardens (pot) 'Oklahoma' VID (1964) -- Vintage Gardens (barrel) 'Red Masterpiece' VID (1974) -- Roses Unlimited (barrel) 'Rose of Freedom' VID (1948) -- Vintage Gardens (barrel) 'Velvet Fragrance' (1988) -- Heirloom Roses (barrel) I also have 'Black Lady' (1976) coming in Spring from Rogue Valley Roses. I have a list of future possibilities in this genre which appeal to me, which I'm posting as something for you to further investigate yourself. Again, look them up on HelpMeFind for pics and info, as well as nurseries which currently offer them. While I doubt I'll want all of these, there are a few which I'll bold that I'm seriously considering. Happy rose hunting! Avon Barcelona, aka Francis Dubreuil Belgica Black Velvet Burgund Charles Mallerin Christopher Stone Dark Desire Dave Davis Deep Secret Erotika Etoile de Hollande Gloire de Hollande Governor Rosellini John Waterer Lasting Love Liebeszauber Midnight Mme Louis Laperriere Night 'n' Day Night Time Olde Romeo Oregon Centennial Papa Meilland Royal William Senator Burda Uncle Joe / El Toro Velvet Hour Will Rogers :-) ~Christopher