Good eggs or bad eggs? Pics.....

greenhaven

15 years ago

These were on the underside of a Honey Dijon leaf. Found 'em while I was loking for rose slugs.

BTW, is there a rose slug "season?" Or do I have to hunt all year 'round?

Anyway, here are the egg pics:

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len511
15 years ago
i don't think photobucket is working. or at least i am not seeing anything
greenhaven
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15 years ago
Crud. I can see them. I read on another thread that Photobucket was hacked tonight, so it may be awhile. Sorry, but thanks for looking! Will you look back again?
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I found this article a few months back and thought it may help. "How To Store Fresh Eggs Without Refrigeration After my ramblings on egg storage, you will find the USDA information on storing eggs with Liquid Sodium Silicate, known sometimes as the brand name, K-Peg. This is highly informative and very important if you are going to use this product to store eggs. Have you ever wondered how your great-grandparents stored eggs? Perhaps they didn't, perhaps they used only fresh eggs. But many folks regularly stored their eggs and used them throughout the winter months. Chickens normally respond to daylight by laying more eggs. Oppositely, when there is little daylight, there are fewer eggs layed. So in the winter when days are shorter, it's good to be able to depend on a fresh egg supply. There are two ways that I know of to store eggs without refrigeration. They both require cool temperatures, however. A cellar, cool basement or cool room in the house will suffice. The cooler the better the chance that your eggs will last longer. The first method is to coat the eggs with a non-toxic substance, sealing the pores in the shell and thereby sealing out oxygen and moisture. When oxygen is present, many bacteria can grow, thus spoiled eggs. To use lard or shortening to coat the eggs, first melt the grease and cool it til it begins to solidify again. Dip each egg in the melted grease individually and set them on a paper towel to dry. When the shortening or lard is dry on the eggs, rub the eggs with a clean towel, removing excess solid grease. Rub gently and buff each egg. Now repeat the process, before the shortening solidifies. Work fast, allowing the shortening to get almost solid before re-heating it. Line the bottom of a flat box with a clean soft towel. Place the eggs in the box in a single layer. Cover the box with either a lid or another towel. Place the box of eggs in a cool, dry environment. Eggs prepared this way will last up to 6 months, although I have heard people say that they have kept eggs this way for 1 year if they are kept very cool. A product used to coat eggs in this way, but that is supposed to keep the eggs fresh longer is K-Peg. The eggs are coated with this product much the same way they would be coated with the shortening, and prepared for storage the same way. The other way to keep eggs works on the same principle, cover the pores and keep the eggs cool. However, the eggs must be kept immersed in a solution of Liquid Sodium Silicate. It is usually mixed with sterile water. Liquid Sodium Silicate is a non-toxic substance that will cover the pores of the egg shell so well that you will probably be able to keep fresh eggs for up to 2 years! You can buy it as Sodium Silicate Solution at any pharmacy, however they may not have it on hand and have to order it for you. Again, you will have to keep the temperatures very cool and the humidity low. Place clean fresh eggs in a ceramic crock, one layer deep. Pour liquid sodium silicate over the eggs until the eggs are covered and completely immersed in the solution. Place a towel over the crock and tie it into place. Place the crock of eggs in a cool, dry place and don't disturb them til you are ready to use them. To use them, just take out how many eggs you need, wash them off in clear water and use as you normally would. Two tips I would include are; When you crack your eggs after storage, crack them in a cup, not directly into your food. You might get an awful surprise and ruin a dish. Practice these techniques before you think you might really need to store eggs. Practice makes perfect! Here is some information from the USDA on storing eggs in Liquid Sodium Silicate: 'What Uncle Sam Says About Preserving Eggs. These are the months when the thrifty housewife who has her own hens, or who can draw upon the surplus supply of a nearby neighbor, puts away in water glass or lime-water, eggs for next autumn and winter. (These months being Spring time when the chickens begin laying again after winter) To ensure success, care must be exercised in this operation. Following directions are from the U.S. Department of Agriculture: In the first place, the eggs must be fresh, preferably not more than two or three days old. This is the reason why it is much more satisfactory to put away eggs produced in one's own chicken yard. Infertile eggs are best if they can be obtained-so, after the hatching, exclude roosters from the flock and kill them for table as needed. The shells must be clean. Washing an egg with a soiled shell lessens it keeping quality. The protective gelatinous covering over the shell is removed by water and when this is gone the egg spoils more rapidly. The shells also must be free from even the tiniest crack. One cracked egg will spoil a large number of sound eggs when packed in water glass. Earthenware crocks are good containers. The crocks must be clean and sound. Scald them and let them cool completely before use. A crock holding six gallons will accommodate eighteen dozens of eggs and about twenty-two pints of solution. Too large crocks are not desirable, since they increase the liability of breaking some of the eggs, and spoiling the entire batch. It must be remembered that the eggs on the bottom crack first and that those in the bottom of the crocks are the last to be removed for use. Eggs can be put up in smaller crocks and eggs put in the crock first should be used first in the household. Water Glass Method Water Glass is know to the chemist as sodium silicate. It can be purchased by the quart from druggist or poultry supply men. It is a pale yellow, odorless, syrupy liquid. It is diluted in the proportion of one part of silicate to nine parts of distilled water, rain water, or other water. In any case, the water should be boiled and then allowed to cool. Half fill the vessel with this solution and place the eggs in it, being careful not to crack them. The eggs can be added a few at a time till the container is filled. Be sure to keep about two inches of water glass above the eggs. Cover the crock and place it in the coolest place available from which the crock will not have to be moved. Inspect the crock from time to time and replace any water that has evaporated with cool boiled water. When the eggs are to be used, remove them as desired, rinse in clean, cold water and use immediately. Eggs preserved in water glass can be used for soft boiling or poaching, up to November. Before boiling such eggs prick a tiny hole in the large end of the shell with a needle to keep them from cracking. They are satisfactory for frying until about December. From that time until the end of the usual storage period-that is until March-they can be used for omelette's, scrambled eggs, custards, cakes and general cookery. As the eggs age, the white becomes thinner and is harder to beat. The yolk membrane becomes more delicate and it is correspondingly difficult to separate the whites from the yolks. Sometimes the white of the egg is tinged pink after very long keeping in water glass. This is due, probably, to a little iron which is in the sodium silicate, but which apparently does not injure the egg for food purposes.'"
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What a cool find. There must be some Flat-topped Aster somewhere near you because these butterflies only exist near their host plants. These caterpillars will overwinter, which can be tricky because there is a high risk of them drying out. (I tried to overwinter a few one year--failed and didn't want to try it again because I didn't want to harm the local populations). I guess I would encourage you to find the stand of asters somewhere and release most of the caterpillars. They make a web and feed together--hundreds (so you will need a lot of the plant); they stop feeding about August and rest at the base of the plant for the fall/winter. They re-awaken in spring and resume feeding about the time the host plants have re-leafed. There are resources about rearing overwintering caterpillars. If you search on this site for a Ladobe's posts, he gave a detailed explantation of a technique he used to get most overwintering larvae to survive winter. Good luck! Here is a link that might be useful: Overwintering techniques
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Flickr sez: "Oops! You don't have permission to view this page." & I AM a Flickr member - so I think you might need to change the privacy settings on that photo...? Anyway, from the small, blurry pic above, it looks a lot like it might be army worms - when I find those egg masses, I remove the leaf (or leaves) & dispose of them. AFAIK, there are no beneficial insects - or butterflies, that lay those kind of egg masses.
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They suck the juices from plant stems and fruits/seeds. I'm not sure if the chickens will eat them or not. It may be that their "stinky" properties may also render them distasteful to potential preditors. Here is a link that might be useful: Stink bug info on BugGuide
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jerijen
15 years ago
I can see them.
I don't know what they are.

Jeri
Jean Marion (z6a Idaho)
15 years ago
They are very pretty, like miniature pearls very symmetrical...
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
LOL! Okay, different question: if they may be good and I want to let them hatch in quarantine, how do I do that so they survive long enough to be ID-ed? Right now I have them in a pint canning jar with a band and a piece of paper towel as a top. I suspect this would not be enough airflow for hatchlings to survive.

Glad someone else is seeing them, though. Whew!
len511
15 years ago
i still don't see them just an x and photobucket. i hope they get the hacking fixed.
york_rose
15 years ago
They're insect eggs. No doubt about that. Unfortunately I can't tell you whether they'll be good for you or not (I suspect not, but I'm not at all sure about that).

If you've already removed the leaf from the plant you may have a problem getting them hatched (or maybe not, I'm not certain). If you're worried about critters getting loose I'd suggest you replace the towel with some screening if you have any (like for a window screen, that kind of screening), or perhaps you have some "reemay" fabric, or something of the sort used for a floating row cover in a vegetable garden, where you want the plants to get air, water, and light, but you don't want the insects to get at the veggies? If so, you could cut a piece of that to use in place of the towelling. Frankly, the towelling may be enough.

Unfortunately while I identify insects for a living, I don't rear them, so I don't have much experience from which to provide you with advice.
alisande
15 years ago
Gee . . . if they were yellow and on the back of a zucchini leaf I could tell you they were squash bugs. But as it is . . .

But at least I can see your picture!
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
LOL, yorkrose, so your saying you have no idea? LOL! Thanks for giving it a go, though. Apparently insect eggs are hard to ID even by "eggs-perts." I think I will try and let them hatch (left them on the leaf) and see what comes out. Maybe it will get too hot in the jar, though. I put them back out as I don't want to risk them escaping into my house, good OR bad!
diane_nj 6b/7a
15 years ago
Send them to Baldo, he might be able to help (at least he'll be interested).

Here is a link that might be useful: Baldo's Bugs and Roses Page
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
diane, just got finished. Thanks for the reminder!
anntn6b
15 years ago
But at that size, if they were yellow orange and a lot fewer of them, they'd be Lady Bugs.
When they hatch, chances are they won't be the insecets we're used to seeing but some larval or instar form. So please be prepared to grow them out. Enquiring minds would really like to know.
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
"So please be prepared to grow them out. Enquiring minds would really like to know."
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*sigh* Darn, you're serious, aren't you? ;o) Any tips? I doubt they will do well in a jar. I am not too fond of "raising" bugs, although I think they are pretty cool. I also don;t want to invest serious dollars in bug-rearing equipment, lol!
anntn6b
15 years ago
Yep, I'm serious.
Put the base of the leaf in a small amount of water. The jar will give you the humidity.
Then wait.
The critters that emerge will probably come fairly fast and be leaf eaters. (Or the eggs wouldn't have been laid on a leaf).
Some might eat each other. or they'll be fast moving which may indicate that they are predators. (Sort of genetic destiny)

This is super low tech...just like bug reproduction.
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
Well, I guess I can do that. :o/ I assume I should keep the jar out of the sun so I dont 'greenhouse' the babies to death?
markiz37
15 years ago
Take a look

Saltmarsh Caterpillar

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greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
markiz37, I can't see your photo. :o( But I will google the saltmarsh catepillar; doesn't sound like something that would be found around here, but ya never know!

P.S., Googled before I submitted this message. Eggs look very, very similiar, that's for sure. I will let them hatch out and see if that's what I get!

Thanks....
lionessrose
15 years ago
Found this while researching mushrooms.
Kinda looks like your eggs not as white though.
Link
http://macoun.zone12.com/a003_mush.html
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triple_b
15 years ago
We're devils and black sheep - really bad eggs
Drink up me hearties yo ho

(From 'A Pirate's Life For Me')
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
HAAAA!!! triple_b, I wondered how long it would take for someone to take up that context! LOL! Loved POTC; even more than the ride at Disney, and that's sayng a lot for me.

Green, who has ridden POTC at Disney innumerable times because both her parents worked there.
triple_b
15 years ago
your parents worked there? Cool.....!
That was my fave when I went there in '87.
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
In 87? Florida or California? I was in Florida from 84 to 90, I think 87 was the last year they worked there. They both got downsized, unfortunately.
york_rose
15 years ago
Insect eggs are easy enough to recognize if you see them regularly and that's what you work with all the time. I only see them occasionally. Mostly what I identify are immature insects and adults.

I wouldn't be surprised if the immature insects turn out to be caterpillars, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be bug nymphs (yes, there are insects that entomologists call "bugs" - "Heteroptera" = "the true bugs").
york_rose
15 years ago
If you had a dissecting microscope with the right attachments for an approrpriate digital camera you could take very close pictures of the egg cluster and post those. If I could see the exterior architecture of the individual eggs I'd probably know whether they were going to be caterpillars or not. Lepidoptera eggs very often have intricate external patterns of ridges (often strikingly beautiful). With the right photography one can see that, but it's specialty work.
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
york rose, I have been seeing an extremely brightly-colored bug on my roses and peas. Doesn't look like it's doing anything, but I wonder what it is. (My kids call me 'The Identificationist' because I love to know what things are called.)

It is shaped SORT OF like a leafhopper, but is bright blue and red striped. Very, very tiny, I am not even sure I could get a photo. Then again, I DID get the katydid nymph!
york_rose
15 years ago
Well, it has other hosts, but the red banded leafhopper feeds on roses and the adult has the colors you're describing. (However, you said this wasn't a leafhopper, but rather that it only looked like one.)
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
Nope, that's it! I only said SORT OF because I wasn't sure enough to commit to saying it DID! ;o)

So I should squish them? Might be a challenge...they move pretty fast, lol! Minimal damage or heavy?

Thanks!
york_rose
15 years ago
Without a picture what am I supposed to advise? I don't know what you're looking at.
gardenfanatic2003
15 years ago
York rose - I clicked on your link, and that's what I saw sitting on one of my roses the other day. Don't know if that's what greenhaven saw or not.

Deanna
york_rose
15 years ago
that's what I saw sitting on one of my roses the other day

No surprise there. They are quite common in much of North America.
gardenfanatic2003
15 years ago
Salt marsh caterpillar eggs-

Here is a link that might be useful: Salt Marsh Caterpillar eggs
triple_b
15 years ago
Green,
I was in California.
19 years old. I was old enough to drink legally where I came from (Canada) but not old enough for there. Didn't seem to stop us though.
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
"Without a picture what am I supposed to advise? I don't know what you're looking at."
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Yorkrose, sorry, probably didn't come across clear enough in my post that the red-banded leaf-hopper is a positive ID for my bug, too.

gardenfanatic, yours is the second vote for saltmarsh caterpillar, and I admit that the pics I have seen of their eggs look remarkably like mine, at least to the naked eye. I doubt mine will hatch out, now, since I never "humidified" my jar. Probably just as well, I wasn't too keen on hatching them out, lol!
kandm
15 years ago
Maybe it is a saltmarsh caterpiller. I would get rid of it, from the looks of the picture, whatever laid it liked the taste of rose leaf.

Here is a link that might be useful: {{gwi:298524}}
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
So, does three votes equal a consensus? lol I am going to assume saltmarsh caterpillar and simply destroy ythe eggs. Sorry, anntn!
anntn6b
15 years ago
That's OK.
It's just that it took me years to get one of my local rose societies not to squish every egg they encountered because they were killing Lady Bugs' eggs and then looking to buy replacements locally.
york_rose
15 years ago
Squish the leafhoppers if you can. The babies when abundant will distort developing leaves and flower buds via their feeding. (They, too, are sap suckers.) The worst thing about leafhoppers often isn't the direct feeding damage they cause, but the viruses they spread. I don't know this to be a big problem with roses necessarily, but in the context of agricultural crops very often with leafhoppers people don't talk about their feeding damage. They talk about the viruses the hoppers spread around.
dr_andre_phufufnik
15 years ago
Probably bad eggs. Predator insects lay their eggs far apart to their young don't hatch and eat each other.
greenhaven
Original Author
15 years ago
Destroy eggs. Check. Squish leafhoppers. Check. Thanks, yorkrose and all others who pointed me to saltmarsh caterpillar.
dan_keil_cr Keil
15 years ago
If you really want to know take them to your local Cooperative Office. They can send them to the plant lab at the UofIll. Then they will let you know.

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