A Question About Space for Two Climbers

10 years ago

At the moment I have NO climbers, having moved the last survivor, Lady Hillingdon, over to Tea Row where, if it survives, I plan to treat it as a large bush. Since it will be supported on either side by other roses I'm hoping this is feasible.

The climbing rose I miss the most is Reve d'Or, which succumbed to overheating when I foolishly planted it against a sunny house wall. I would dearly like to have this rose again, but am also at present growing Annie Laurie McDonnell, which will hopefully in my lifetime graduate from its 1-gallon pot and grow against an 18-foot wall which at its worst receives sun until noon, but often less at certain times of the year. Mutabilis is growing there right now and would have to go. It often mildews and just doesn't have the flush of bloom or dramatic, large flowers that I envision for that area. I've grown Mutabilis in quite a few different gardens and really like it, but would be willing to give it up for two gorgeous roses like Reve d'Or and ALM. My question is whether an 18-foot wide wall, approximately 8 feet high, could possibly accommodate these two climbers. One rose could theoretically arch over the doorway and would then have another wall or two to spread itself on.

Am I kidding myself, and is one climber of this size all that this wall could support? The rose(s) would have at least 6 feet of growing room in front of the wall, i.e. would not have to lie flat against it.

I'd love to hear what everyone thinks about this. I have little experience with climbers (and most of it not good), and would therefore value others' opinions.

Ingrid

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mendocino_rose
10 years ago
Would you mind if they grew into each other a bit?
That way I think it would work. They'd be 9 feet apart. That should work unless they were big ramblers.
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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10 years ago
Pam, I wouldn't mind at all. They're each described as being 10 to 15 feet which I suppose you'd call a medium-sized climber. Of course once they're mature I could prune them a bit to keep them under control. I've seen in your photos of the rambling roses that two kinds somewhat intertwined look wonderful and might be more dramatic than having just one.
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roseseek
10 years ago
I'd think they could work together on a wall that size, Ingrid. You could shorten their eventual length by providing them greater height. The large one in Old Orchard, Valencia, is as long as it is because the wall is shorter than 6', so I've had to stretch it out farther to keep it shorter. Even then, it still loves growing over the wall into the neighbor's back yard. If you want to center them only on that 18' wall, I'd plant one 6' in from one end, then the other 6' further down the wall so they are at 6' and 12' from the one end. If you want to curve one around on to the second wall, add probably 6' to the 18', for 24' total. Split that into thirds, planting one 8' from one end, the second 16' from the same end so they have equal room to spread. Kim
jerijen
10 years ago
Ingrid -- How mature are these plants??

Jeri
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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10 years ago
Kim, thanks for the info on how to place the climbers; left to my own devices I'm sure I would have gotten it wrong, especially if I train the one onto another wall.

Jeri, Reve d'Or at present is only a gleam in my eye, i.e. I haven't even ordered it yet. Annie Laurie is about 4 inches tall in a 1-gallon pot. I have no plans to plant anything before November. At the moment I'm just thinking about the feasibility of this project, and to give myself something to look forward to. I would buy Reve d'Or as a 1- or 2-gallon plant, and hopefully by November Anne Laurie will also have grown to that size. I might even wait until next spring to plant them in the ground, and grow them on in pots until then.

Ingrid
jerijen
10 years ago
And let's all pray for a "normally" rainy winter!

Jeri

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