Here are some listed suppliers of the rose, although I know at least one or two of them only sell own-root roses.

Well, given York Rose's link, it's obvious that there's no source for grafted 'Cl. Crimson Glory'.

I have to say, however, that 'Cl. Crimson Glory' can be grown successfully -- and quite impressively -- on its own roots. From where did you acquire your plant?

It's been my (unscientific) observation that when taking cuttings to propagate climbers (esp modern ones), its VERY important to avoid thin, wimpy plant material. Unfortunately, some suppliers root cuttings indiscriminately and without regard for their long-term viability. My experience has been that the quality of the cutting determines the quality of the mature plant -- especially where modern roses are concerned, and MOST especially where modern CLIMBERS are concerned.

Perhaps you simply received a dud plant, so I hope you'll try again, & I also hope you'll avoid a band-size plant. One other observation about 'Crimson Glory' in both its forms: Altho it appreciates warmth, it resents constant, unrelenting direct sun. Provide it some afternoon shade in your zone, Rosefolly, and it may reward you.

And one last comment . . . I noted that you say that Jon's plant 'reaches FOR' the second floor. No doubt Jon's plant has been there for a long while. 'Cl Crimson Glory' is a good climber, but it's not an especially tall climber.

Jaxondel, I have come to the same conclusion. I got mine from a good vendor, but I just ordered one from someone else. Maybe a different clone will perform better.

And yes, Jon has had his a very long time. I've never seen this rose so big anywhere else, and would not have thought it possible. My own is several years old. Five? Six? There is no obvious reason for it to be so small. As for the size, I'd be very happy with a mannerly climber. The spot I want it to fill is about eight feet wide and six feet tall.

Thanks for your comments, which confirm some of my own thoughts.

Rosefolly

I'm also looking for vendors who sell grafted Crimson Glory, climbing or not. I bought a grafted CG (bush) from Hortico earlier this year, but their website currently does not have it listed. I bought grafted CG from ABP Growquest a couple of years ago, but they seem out of business and owe me two potted CG that I paid for. I bought a climbing CG from Amity Heritage Roses two years ago, but that has remained a short plant. I bought two CG bands from Heirloom Roses recently and they look very good in pots right now. I just bought a climbing CG from Antique Rose Emporium and they say they have one plant available. See:

http://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/rose-507.html

I'm really concerned that Crimson Glory is weakening in vigor overall and that the species is dying out. I would like to see more grafted plants available and on Dr. Huey rootstock, which does better than multiflora in my area. Or, I may have to learn the technique myself.

It seems likely that the 18" rose is the bush form rather than the climbing form of 'Crimson Glory.' It's not unusual for standard HTs to start very slowly on their own roots. The climbing sport should be much more vigorous. Your plant could have been mislabeled, or the cutting could have been taken from a shoot that had reverted.

All of this makes a great deal of sense to me. The performance of this plant is much more what I would expect for a shrub form, and a small shrub at that. I'll see how the one I ordered from ARE does. It looks as though I do have some options, if not instant solutions.

Curlydoc - Too bad you are having such trouble finding a Cl Crimson Glory! I am curious - why do you want a grafted one? I have one that I rooted myself from a plant in the garden of a very old cottage that was being torn down, and it is very vigorous and healthy on its own roots.

It, like all own root roses, took about 2 years to really take off, but then it climbed 6 feet to the top of the rose folly I put it on, and then it leap over to a large arch that is supporting a huge Sombreuil, and grew another 6-8 feet up the arch. I also had a purple clematis I had put under the rose folly to keep CG company do the same thing, and the two roses and the clematis were in full bloom at the same time, covering the large arch in this amazing color combination - luckily CG is the old fashioned kind of red that fades towards purple - just by accident, the combination was perfect with the deep velvety red rose, the pure white rose, & the deep royal purple clematis.

In So CAL I'm sure you could grow Cl CG on its own roots, and then you would not have to constantly dig up & cut off the suckers, and it would live much longer, or so I'm told. Just a thought.

Jackie

Have you thought about grafting it yourself? That would really tell you something about the plant you currently have, no?

Jacqueline3, I would love to try to propagate some cuttings from your robust Crimson Glory. Is there any chance I might be able to get some cuttings from your plant? Email me through this forum if you can. Thanks.

I have tried establishing more than a half dozen own root CG's from various vendors, but the results are less than spectacular, though I do immensely enjoy sporadic blooms.

Hoovb, doing my own grafting is something that I may try to do. Do you or anyone else know where to get Dr. Huey for use as rootstock? HMF is not very illuminating on this.

Thanks.

Jon

Well, I have the Dr. coming up here and there in my yard, so I guess I have my own supply, whether I want it or not.

Hey! Here's a thought: Fortuniana as rootstock--may give you a monster CG. Isn't there someone in the South or FL that will bud onto Fortuniana if you send them budwood? K&M or CoolRoses? Now that would be an idea!

Great idea Hoov. I will look into the Fortuniana idea. Meanwhile, I have found a place that will bud Crimson Glory onto Dr. Huey rootstock, namely Burlington Rose Nursery. I have already ordered three Crimson Glory budded onto Dr. Huey. Cost is approximately $70 for three one gallon plants including shipping. They will be available in 6 months. If anyone is interested in Crimson Glory on Dr. Huey, email your request to: Burlingl@aol.com

I suppose they can bud onto other rootstock as well if so desired.