Multiple Tree ID with many pics!!

13 years ago

I live in the Greenwood, AR area which is about 15-20 miles from the AR/OK border and is right in the middle of the state north/south wise.

Since we moved to our house 2 years ago, I have walked the woods on our property and found some things I cannot identify. There are a couple in particular I am curious about and would greatly appreciate some help with the ID of these plants/trees. I am clearing out some of the areas that were cleared about ten years ago than left to run a muck. I am interested in saving some more rare specimens if possible. Which leads me to the ONLY potential hickory with any semblance of good form.

And here we go :D

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By jp_42_82 at 2011-04-11

I have positively ID'd Carya Tomentosa on my property. We have about half dozen or maybe a couple more that are about 30-40 feet and one giant that literally towers about the forest in the back and must be at least 60-70 feet. We have several small hickory trees that are all distorted and ugly, but I think this is one nice specimen I would like to save if it is Carya Tomentosa.

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This tree popped up along an old fence. There was a lot of other smaller seedlings here and there last year that got mowed over. Tree of Heaven? I really do not know.

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Very pretty as the leafs unfold. I really like it and it is the only one I have found on our land. Also has VERY soft leaves.

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This is quite a bit more abundant and produces pea sized black/purple dark single berries in fall. I did not notice when/if it flowered. I thought it was sourwood last year but I now know this is out of it's natural range.

Any takers?

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Iris GW
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
#2 is Elderberry
#3 looks like Sassafras
#4 might be a buckthorn
j0nd03
Original Author
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Interesting...

I know for a fact #3 is not sassafras. I do have a few of those growing around here. They are not leafed out near that far and the trunk bark is different. Maybe my pics are inadequate.

Thanks esh_ga
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j0nd03
Original Author
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
After googling, elderberry (maybe Sambucus canadensis) and buckthorn do seem like a good fit.
salicaceae
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Tree #1 = Hickory (Carya sp.) - possibly C. tomentosa?
Tree #2 = Sambucus canadensis (Elder)
Tree #3 - Sassafras for sure
Iris GW
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
The greenish bark on #3 is very much like a young Sassafras (not to mention the way the leaves are unfolding).
ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
man .... i am not good at the ID game.. but that never stops me from trying.. lol ...

one of the bottom ones.. they arent numbered.. remind me a lot of buckthorn ...

the top one looks like my frost damaged magnolia..

and i swear one of them look like an overgrown forsythia ... though i suppose you would have already seen the flowers.. and ruled that out ...

IMHO .... one plant per post.. really helps ME ... if i am the only one that matters ... then we dont have to do all that flipping.. up and down.. etc ...

good luck

ken
j0nd03
Original Author
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Sorry to annoy you Ken! :) I thought it would be easier like this so I don't clog up the forum with a bunch of topics but I realize the pics are large so that can be a pain with all the scrolling.

Also looks like I was wrong about the sassafras. There is a very large mature mulberry tree across the street. Maybe what I thought was sassafras are mulberry saplings. The leafs look very much alike to my untrained eyes. I included pics of what I thought was sassafras below.

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And 1 more close up (apparently out of focus) leaf pic of mystery tree #4 from the first post

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By jp_42_82 at 2011-04-12
Iris GW
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Yep that first new picture is a mulberry leaf.
j0nd03
Original Author
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Darn!! That is growing under a very large quercus stellata and I wanted it to spread out and fill in some under the oak's 50+ feet canopy.

That would explain the ugly quickly fading yellow fall color it displayed last year. And I completely missed the fall color of the sassafras because I had no clue what it was. Ah well, time to get the loppers out again.

I have read that the buckthorn is not native to the us and is invasive. Is this correct?
Iris GW
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
There is a native buckthorn - if you google, I think there is information on how to tell them apart.
j0nd03
Original Author
13 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Well from what I have read, the native Carolina buckthorn (Rhamnus caroliniana) has showy fall foliage. The buckthorn around my house is a soft brown with maybe a hint of orange. Very plain and ugly. However, the leaves look longer than the non-native Rhamnus cathartica and much more like Rhamus caroliniana. I am now pretty sure it is the native.

Thanks everyone who replied, especially esh_ga! Now I will have another topic of discussion with my dad next time he comes over and we walk around in the woods.

So the final verdict is:

1. Carya Tomentosa (mockernut hickory)
2. Sambucus canadensis (elderberry)
3. Sassafras albidum
4. Rhamus caroliniana (buckthorn)

Never thought you guys would nail it this fast when I was taking pics yesterday :)

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