Large white pine: effectiveness of reducing crown?
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Comments (8)White pines shed their needles when they (the needles) reach around 3 or 4 years old. This is perfectly natural, the first wind that comes will blow down the yellow needles. Usually they change in October, but given the drought this year, they are casting their needles early. Our white pines here are changing right now; if you aren't used to white pine, this may be a bit disconcerting, but it is perfectly normal. This is why you see the fallen needles so deep under a white pine....See MorePreventing White Pine Weevil on young eastern white pine
Comments (11)sounds like a lot of worry for something that may never happen .... especially prophylactic chemical use ... in my z5 MI .... near the OH border ... white pine grow 3 to 5 feet per year,once established .... re-leader extremely quickly ... and are basically weed trees ... in the sense that you cant beat them back with a stick ... once they get going .... some of your presumptions MIGHT be wrong ... the fact that it is in the wide open.. suggests not just your conclusion.. but the conclusion that the odds of any given bug finding it low ... and that you will be able to ladder up the thing for 10 years ... i would bet on MAYBE 3 years ... since you wont be putting a ladder up against fresh weak growth .... so.. i would wonder if all your worry is worth it .... also .. given their growth rate.. i hope you planted it a good 20 to 30 feet from your house .. they are not strong wooded ... and subject to shedding large parts in 20 or 30 years.. in harsh weather.. like winter ice storms and wind .... good luck ken...See MoreWill white pine branches 'bud back' if pruned?
Comments (4)>if you remove all buds from a branch.. that branch is dead Right, but I didn't know if there would be any dormant buds that might grow if the branch is cut back, like you would find on, for example, an elm or maple. He's concerned because his tree has grown low hanging branches into my yard, and I think it's very considerate of him to offer to trim them back. I don't know how this could be interpreted as malicious. I've told him my concern, and that I would ask here to confirm or refute my concern. Resin has succinctly confirmed it. Thanks, Resin! Alex...See MoreHow close can you build next to large white pine trees?
Comments (28)I'm building a cottage, garage and garden shed in some woods. I have researched this situation quite a bit since I have many different types of trees from oaks, gums, maples, magnolias, pines, sassafras and more. I had to make sure the foundation of these buildings clear the root systems AND allow clearance for falling branches. The falling branches was the easy part since a tree generally drops branches downward unless there are substantial winds to carry them further afield. I spoke to not only my landscape architect but also an arborist and our local U.S. Forest Service. Basic rule is not to build under a canopy. If you really want to be totally safe from a tree that falls due to storm activity, the put the edge of the foundation at minimum the height of the matured tree. If the tree isn't matured, then you can look up the information. Keep in mind that it isn't an exact number. IOW, if a tree grows to average 80', that means a particular tree can top out at maturity anywhere from 50' to 120'. That said, you need to figure out tree root growth of any tree close by that meets the above information. Roots are the lifeline of a tree from seedling to maturity. They are extremely powerful and each part of the root system has a special job - even the small roots that many people ignore. Their job is to seek out any and all sources of nutrients and water that particular tree requires conceding the climate, soil and soil structure in layers as well as crossing paths with various roots from other trees. So all roots constantly grow and extend themselves. Soil that is mostly clay or better than 50% as an example compact easily. As roots push through the clay, it becomes more densely packed. If soil is loose, sandy, dirt & rocks, roots go through easily and the soil displaces. You need to know your soil because that will give you information on any damage root systems can cause any foundation. Also be aware some trees such as cypress and cherry laurels as well as some magnolias will extend part of their root system to the surface. So know the trees in your area you wish to lay a foundation of any kind. Another area to understand is weather conditions generally in your area various times of the year. If you get a lot of rains, expect the root system to expand as they absorb water. If drought conditions occur, they will shrink when soils, particularly clay soils dry out. In either condition, the soil changes which can affect the foundation. That probably causes a good portion of cracking concrete as well as the settling factor. Pipes can also do a lot of damage. If you are laying your foundation near a tree with aggressive root expansion, you can easily build a root barrier for protection. Slower growing trees also spread their roots slower than trees such as willows, elms and some maples that prefer to send their roots deep and wide. Oaks grow slower but their roots are shallow and can easily be tipped over in heavy wind conditions in storms. Pines tend to have a long tap root which anchors t hem pretty dang securely. Since they tend to drop branches, it's best to build a foundation away from the canopy. Estimate distance if it's not a mature tree. Roots can spread and develop two to three times its height depending conditions. An Eastern white pine aka Northern pine averages about 150' tall at maturity with a canopy spread from 20-40' and a 40" girth. Average life is about 200 years but can live to 450 years in good conditions. Urban pines generally get a bit over 100 years. A shallow foundation of a garage is more prone to damage by tree roots if it covers much of the tree roots. If you build a strong roof to withstand a branch or two dropping occasionally, you could build slightly under the canopy. If you plan cautiously, cutting down healthy trees should only be your last resort....See Moreken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
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