Cruel no more! Pics of adolescent Tea
I actually got out with my camera to take pictures of my nameless young Tea rose to see if someone might be able to identify it. I have to post each one separately, of course. The plant is in its fifth year, if I remember correctly, and I got it as a cutting from a lady in Genoa who didn't know its name.
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melissa_thefarm
10 years agoAnd you'll be patient with my baby's mildew. It has been an extremely wet spring. Right now instead of rain the wind is howling.
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Comments (5)You're being cruel, Melissa! Taunting and teasing everyone with luscious descriptions, then asking for assistance in identifying it when the description COULD point toward a dozen or more possibilities. You really DO need to post photos of the plant, foliage, canes, prickles, buds and various stages of the flowers for all to "ooh and aah!" over. You just might get some fairly accurate suggestions as to identity, too! Kim...See Morenot a newbie, but...
Comments (18)Well, its been several months since I posted... and I just want to thank everyone for their wonderful advice. Viola is budding! :D I put her under a grow light as suggested, and she loves it. All of the pots I had were too big, so I ended up having to put her in a 2 inch yogurt cup. She loves that too! As for watering/fertilizing, I've only been using the compost tea that I use for my indoor herbs. She seems to like it as well....See MorePhotographs - why always close-up pics?
Comments (87)To summarize, the "basics" are selecting the right rose for the right climate. Climatic suitability. Learn from the rose, know what the thing will tolerate. NO book can teach you that. No person can, either. Observation. Look at the danged things. Learn to read them. Learn their language. They'll tell you if they're not happy and often, just what the dickens is going on with them. Yes, reading (IF you are one of the intelligent ones who WILL read, unfortunately as uncommon as "common sense") will direct you toward what is suitable for where you are and what type of gardener you are or will become, as will simply walking around where you are and talking to people who seem successful at doing what you hope to do. If you read a book or someone's post, find out where they are. British rose books are glorious to read, but they have NO relevance in Southern California...PERIOD. Peter Beales and Graham Thomas proclaiming New Dawn and Ballerina to be perfect roses, the most successful and wonderful plants of their types are pure misinformation in warm, long season climates. Austin's original writings about his Graham Thomas being a "mannerly, five foot shrub" makes sense in a British season, but NOT in California where it can easily be a twelve to fifteen foot climber. Unless you take the initiative to find out where the information is relevant, it is worthless. For me to tell Elmire that tender Tea roses are the best roses around is cruel and ignorant at best because they are very likely not to be where she is. For her to tell ME to grow Rugosas is the worst advice anyone could provide as they are not happy here, period. There is tremendous information on line and, if taken with the knowledge of where it originated, can be invaluable. Pruning advice, particularly. In my climate, most roses do best with little pruning other than to remove what is no longer healthy or needed. Lyn must snow prune her roses or the weight of the snow will do it for her. Others must whack them to fit the winter protection they require. I know I irritate those who write me for advice about how to winter protect as the only response I can give based upon my experience is to continue dead heading and make sure they remain watered sufficiently if it doesn't rain! The right rose for the climate, positioned in the right spot for the conditions, planted acceptably and permitted to do as it needs to with suitably benign neglect will often become a weed. "Weed" is the highest praise I can think of for any plant as they succeed in spite of us. What could be better?...See MoreDon't post pics? Why or Why not? (Long, rambling, sorry!)
Comments (66)I am probably not going to be posting many pics when asking questions any more because I find that too many people are only looking at the pictures, NOT reading the text, and thus their responses are either directly contrary to something I've said in the text (for instance "get rid of XYZ" or "the color of ABC is wrong" when I've already said in the accompanying that I love XYZ so it's not going anywhere or that the color of ABC is really more toward mauve when it shows up as puce in the picture) or have nothing at all to do with what I'm asking. I find that intensely frustrating. I have almost no pictures of my current house because it's still in "whatta dump" stage. No paint (walls need a TON of work), short on furniture, dreadfully designed kitchen that's a perpetual mess because there's nowhere to put things... and forget outside pictures, a few weeks ago we ripped out almost every trace of vegetation outside (and will not be replacing it until next year, probably fall '09 to get the end-of-season sales) due to a honeysuckle invasion that I swear was growing by feet per day and was starting to attack the porch. I'll happily post pictures of my previous house because I think I did a pretty decent job with it. We're not on Google Maps but we're kinda-sorta on Google Earth - but the best you can get is a fuzzy whitish blob in the midst of a bunch of other fuzzy whitish blobs on a fuzzy grayish stripe. No closeups. Our town is clearly not a high priority as far as Google is concerned! WRT security - we live in a somewhat iffy neighborhood so I am one HECK of a lot more worried about the people a dozen houses down the street breaking in looking for meth money than I am about someone trying to track me down via the Internet (I Googlebate every so often just to see what's out there re: me) from half a dozen states away. I've been email-stalked and -harassed a bunch of times in my 18 years online because of my outspoken ;-) opinions and my ISPs have always been helpful in dealing with it. However, I've had meet-ups with a whole slew of people I've met online over the years, twice flying nearly cross-country to do so, and it's been grand fun....See Moremelissa_thefarm
10 years agoAnd a shot of the whole plant, and I'm done. Any ideas as to the identity of my rose?
melissa_thefarm
10 years agoThis photography is powerful stuff. Inspiring. Here is a last shot, this time of 'Mme. Antoine Mari' just outside the front door. Always a beauty, and as generous as she is elegant.
Melissa
buford
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10 years agomendocino_rose
10 years agojacqueline9CA
10 years agoblooms - not like this one at all. I guess it could just be the climate, however. Here's a pic of a typical bloom on mine.
Jackie
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jerijen
10 years agojacqueline9CA
10 years agojerijen
10 years agoMelissa -- MY Mme. Lombard is rarely really light pink, but I've seen photos of it taken in the PNW, where it WAS colored like your Tea.
But the bloom, particularly an immature one, is a weak identifier.
Instead, here is a collection of some of the parts of the plant that you can use to compare to what you have.
In particular, look carefully at the large image of the new growth, with its many glandular structures. You can see here a leaf, with leaflets (this is fairly mature growth. 5 leaflets may be more common) and prickles, and stipules, etc.
I could not find a really good photo of a bud, but at least you can get the general shape of it.Have fun!
Jeri
portlandmysteryrose
10 years agoMelissa
I am, of course, talking through my nose since I only have 2 tea roses--Duchesse de Brabant and Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux, but I have clocked in countless hours visiting teas in gardens and nurseries and lusting over them in books and catalogs. I'll go ahead and put in my nose talkin' two cents for whatever it's worth.
I can see why Duchesse was suggested (shape of bud, color, petal count), but your opening flowers don't seem to be as globular as Duchesse's.
Like Jeri, I am wondering if Madame Lombard might fit. Madame's flowers look quite a bit like your unfurling flower which is attempting to defy the weather. I've seen light pink and medium pink flowers on bushes. I've seen specimens with more petals and those with fewer petals, although maybe some that I have encountered were mislabeled due to Rose Imposter Syndrome. Other ideas: Bon Silene or Rhodologue Jules G. I've seen Bon Silene remain a paler shade like your rose when subjected to cool cloudy weather. She has a lower petal count...maybe too low for your rose. I'll post a pic of my Rhodologue just for the heck of it. I see some similarities between my rose and yours. Of course, I see some similarities between all pink teas. Glad it's not my job to ID these things for the record keepers! My Rhodologue came from Vintage Gardens.
Your Madame Antoine Mari is lovely!
--Carol
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10 years agobuford
10 years agojerijen
10 years agomelissa_thefarm
10 years agoThanks for the suggestions, folks, and for the photos, Jeri especially for the group of pics.
I have 'Mme. Lombard' down in the sunny garden, and though she nearly drowned last winter she didn't quite, and I was able to find a bud and compare. I'm inclined, from my in-the-flesh comparison and what I read and hear--I also looked at the pictures and description in the Australian Tea book--to think that my rose is not ML, though I'm by no means dead sure. The receptacle is not the same shape: on my rose it's shorter and wider than on ML and doesn't constrict at the top. My rose, in the three years I've seen it flower, has always been light to medium pink, sometimes deepening toward the center (to medium pink) but never red, and without the coppery or peachy tints that ML shows. My rose has pale buds, not red. Comparing the pedicels of the two roses, ML's are smooth, green, and flattened; my rose's are red, "hairy", and not flattened. The shapes of the thorns on my rose are variable, some like what I see on ML, but others are almost worthy of the Wingthorn Rose: you see one of these in my photos of yesterday. Does 'Mme. Lambard' have thorns like this? How large are the leaflets on ML? My rose has quite large foliage: I measured 3 1/2"-4" on some terminal leaflets. I had difficulty comparing young foliage as my rose has so much mildew right now. I don't detect any fragrance, but don't know if weather conditions has anything to do with that. For what it's worth, having both varieties in the garden, it has never occurred to me that my rose could be ML. However, it can take me years to notice a resemblance.
It's not 'Bon Silene', which is always a richer pink in my garden and which has occasional white markings which my rose lacks. Also the forms don't seem particularly similar. 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux' and 'Duchesse de Brabant' look too globular. 'Susan Louise' doesn't look like it has enough petals.
I've posted another shot I took yesterday. Further guesses and thoughts will be appreciated.
Melissa
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