How wonderful that you and your Mom got to spend the day together enjoying the weather and sights. Great pictures! I thought that last one was snow at first, lol.

I wish I could be there, but it is 400 miles away. Sigh. Jackie

Quite a few years back I went to a fairly good nursery in Maine with long rows of roses in pots and every single one mislabeled. I went down the row, telling the employee what the proper name was but she wasn't taking notes - just saying she wished the manager was there. Well, he/she wasn't and do you think they changed the tags? Not very likely. Not their fault that the wholesaler had sold them a bunch of mislabeled roses but tough on the customers who didn't realize what they were getting. Pompon de Bourgogne was labeled Charles de Mills, which gives you an idea of the scope of the problem.

Thanks for the warning about Brother Cadfael. Now I'm agonizing on where to put the roes and whether or not to displace my two Pinkie's that I put next to the pillars in the front bc of their reputation for thornlessness (hah!) and reliable, almost constant rebloom. Two things about Pinkie that I don't love for that coveted position next to the front entrance 1) No fragrance 2) Small blooms that aren't very full/cupped. I would love something more like Brother Cadfael, Eden, Heritage, etc in this area Nanadoll - how wide does BC get? I certainly have the height but prob have only about 3-4 feet for him in width Jeri - my BC plant is quite bushy, with a few blooms on side shoots and a good number of them at the tops of the shoots of varying lengths. I also tested the stiffness of the canes and they're not too stiff, I can still bend them pretty easy. I think easy enough for me to bend them sideways at least to help with flowering. Do you think although we're both in SoCal, since I'm down here in Venice and you're in the central coast it will behave differently?