climbing rose for west side z5

11 years ago

To start off, I am a lurker, for a long time. And a very dedicated one now that I am into roses! I need a suggestion. I purchased a home in IL (coming from NY-5 via TX-HOT) I inherited truck wrecking overgrown shrubs, a few day lilies, and chainsaw worthy winter creeper. I put a new bed in front of my house on the west side. I REALLY want a climbing rose there and am willing to do the work to get it. Unsure of zone 5 rose growing, I have come to the rose gods and goddesses of garden web. I would like to go with an Austin (why screw around?)

Looking for:

1. A re-bloomer
2. Fragrance is not the major objective
3. Limited THORNS. New Dawn is insane and tried to kill me in TX. I am the person who gets massacred and the cuts swell and puss. Yuk
4. Darker in color (no white, pale, pale... need a good contrast with the house
5. I don't really want to spray other than with the milk mix, but the world is not perfect and this is not a perfect spot in the world for a rose, so I will get over my organic gardening sense of self if need be.
6. Like I said, the west side, gets sun in summer at 1 and these IL summers are as almost as bad as San Antonio summers.
7. Watered with drip hose irrigation river water (yea for fish poop!)

All of you, in your individual and collective wisdom, could you please help and tell me if you think any of these will work:

1. Zephirine Drouhin (blackspot?)
2. Crown Princess Margareta Climbing
3. A Shropshire Lad Climbing (I know I said no pale, but I would give in for this gorgeous lad! )
4. Lady of Shallot Climbing
5. Tess of the d"Urbervilles climbing
6. Or can I attach a RDV to a trellis? (probably not, but what the heck, I'd ask)

Any opinion, guidance, idea, suggestion (even if it is, girl you are cray cray, just plant some morning glories) is greatly appreciated. Thank You!

-Allison

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strawchicago z5

11 years ago

Hi ihatecatpee: I love your username! Mine should be ihatecatpoo ... just kidding. Cats come to my front bed and think my horse manure is a kitty litter ... disgusting!

Seil's Rein de Violettes is a good one is you have acidic soil. If you have alkaline clay soil like mine, that would turn yellowish and stingy.

I have Crown Princess Mag.... wicked thorns, stabbed me a few times... won't recommend that.

Zephie does well for us cold-zoners. You won't get BS if you keep the soil surface dry and alkaline (I posted plenty on that subject).

A shop. Lad is low-thorn, cold-zoners like that one. Tess is a thorny beast, forget it.

Excellenz von Schubert is awesome violet poms-poms, that's an almost thornless climber, great scent. It's hardy to zone 4, tolerates partial shade.

See the link below for its pics: I get that from Burlington Roses in CA - great service, no diseases nor thrips, really cheap shipping, it's $10.95 for one band. Burling has the largest collection of thornless roses, including Zephie, RdViolettes, and Super Jane (Kim Rupert's thornless climber, hardy to zone 5a). Kim Rupert is the same as Roseseek ... he's a great rosarian.

Here is a link that might be useful: Excellenz von Schubert rose, very hardy

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seil zone 6b MI
11 years ago
I'm in zone 6 but...

I don't have Zepherine so I can't comment on it.

As for the Austins, none of them are really true "climbers" but nearly all of them will get HUGE here for some reason. Much bigger than they say in the catalog. I have both Golden Celebration and Graham Thomas and they are both on trellises and get 12 feet tall with little or no die back over winter. They both spot but usually only at the very bottom and it rarely travels all the way to the top. Other than the fact the Graham is a water hog they both take the heat pretty well.

I do have RdV (totally thornless) on a trellis and she will make it to 12 feet easy and rarely has any winter cane die back. However, when you send her up like that you get less bloom on her and it's all at the top. If you can spread more sideways you'll get better bloom. She will also spot and mildew. RdV only gives me one good bloom flush a season. After her spring flush I may get one or two blooms here and there the rest of the season but that's it. No big fall flush at all.
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Terry Crawford
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I'm around the Peoria area and have a few climbers amongst my 300 roses.

'Crown Princess Mar' is more of a huge shrub with big long octopus arms; self-standing and I grow clematis thru her. Needs lots of room and blooms its head off throughout the summer. Very winter-hardy with little dieback.

'EvS' only gets only 5' tall; pom-pom rosette blossoms; very healthy foliage. Will take shade with no problem.

'Super Jane' is thornless and has light pink single blossoms. Own-root, so be prepared to wait several years for it to mature into a big plant. Mine's going on 4 years and is only about 3 ft. high and maybe 2 ft. wide. Not much of a specimen plant yet...needs more time to attain its full potential.

'Aloha' is a Kordes rose that is a salmon pink and is stellar and BS-free without spraying. Gets tall and reaches to the eaves of my house...I took the support off it this Spring and its self-standing. Continual flushes throughout the year.

'Aloha Hawaii' is absolutely divine; sunset colors and gets 10-12 tall and requires a trellis or pergola to be wrapped upon. Great spring flush, but periodic sparse rebloom.

If you don't mind pink, 'Brite Eyes' is a Radler rose classified as a climber but is a big self-standing shrub that can get 8-10' tall and is covered all year with gorgeous blossoms. Healthy foliage as with any of Bill's roses. Shrugs off our harsh Illinois winters also.

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Nicole Vabre
8 years ago
Hellooooo, ihatecatpee! I see this tread is a couple years old but I'm currently doing research for a climber to grow on the west side of my garage & fingers crossed someone will get a notification on this thread.

Curious as to what climber you went with?

I've been adoring A Shropshire Lad for waaay longer than I should without making any kind of move to acquirone one - no idea why, but thinking I need just THE PERFECT PLACE for the angel & also a spot where I can see him from inside my house.

Anyhoo, give a sista an update on what you went with, how it's doing, etc, etc, ihatecatpee! Or anyone else growing on a west side building on zone 4 or 5 (I literally straddle both zones)!

XO,

Nicole
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ratdogheads z5b NH
8 years ago
Climbing Iceberg thrives and blooms well on my west wall. Needs to be sprayed for blackspot in my wet climate. Darlow's Enigma also does really well growing close to a west wall and is even partially shaded on the north side. It's three years old, and about 6' tall. I'm not sure if it will ever be a climber, but I'm hoping. Both are supposedly Z4 hardy.

I haven't tried A Shropshire Lad. I did try Crown Princess Margareta on a west wall and I got about three blooms a year :(
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Nicole Vabre
8 years ago
Cl. Iceberg is the top runner for that spot, ratdogshead! I guess I should say instead of climbing up, it'll be spreading horizontally in that location.
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Roxana *** ZN 5 Indianapolis IN ***
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I am in the same spot now that you were 3 years ago and I am hoping that you can see this and maybe update on what you chose??? Pretty please!
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