Climbing Red Rose - Zone 4

11 years ago

Hello, Everyone!

As spring is here, I am excited for the thaw to start my second year of rose collection. I am looking for a good red rose (true/deep red... not coral/orange) to climb my storage shed. Scent is not important, as the location is away from walkways, but I would like to have a dependable eye candy for as long as the season allows. :-) If there is something with few thorns, it would be even better. What is your favorite?

Thank you,
Phoebe

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seil zone 6b MI
11 years ago
The two hardiest ones that come to mind quickly are John Cabot and Quadra. There may be others too though. I don't have experience with them myself but they're both red and rated to zone 3 at least
wirosarian_z4b_WI
11 years ago
I recommend Ramblin' Red, does well for me in my Z4 area. I leave it on the trellis & have seen little or no winter damage except for the rabbits gnawing on it occasionally . Has shown good disease resistance for me also which I expected because comes from the same guy that hybridized Knock Out.

Here is a link that might be useful: Ramblin' Red
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I also am in zone 4 and I grow New Dawn on an arch, along with Rosarium Uetersen on the other side. It can be successfully grown in zone 4 but you will need to either take it down as was suggested, or wrap it with burlap which is what I do. To me it is easier (both roses have some mean thorns!) to wrap it than it is to take it down off the arch and bury it. There might be some dieback at the tips where the new growth was, but the canes should be o.k. for the most part. I should mention that I live at a high elevation and the arch is subject to a lot of wind off the mountain, so if you are in a more protected area you should be fine wrapping it. If you want a completely hardy climbing rose that you never, ever have to wrap or winter-protect than Henry Kelsey is good. Here are some photos to show you what I mean. Good luck! Celeste Arch, wrapped for the winter..... Arch, as it just starts into bloom..... Henry Kelsey on a pillar.....
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sefah
Original Author
11 years ago
Thank you to you both. Those are the three on my radar. LOL. There is a marked difference in color with the John Cabot, but I'm curious what the difference is between the other two. How are the thorns?
michaelg
11 years ago
Quadra is thorny but has outstanding blackspot resistance and (according to northerners) winter hardiness. It has a handsome, old-style flower. Judging from comments here, northeastern growers seem to prefer Quadra, but midwesterners like Ramblin' Red.

John Cabot is always a deep fuchsia pink, not red as I use the word.
mikeber
11 years ago
Zone 4 is difficult... (is it the North Pole?)
Anyway, in my milder climate, Kordes roses worked well for me. Maybe with some protection:
1) Dortmund: Individual flowers may not be extremely handsome, but the entire effect is impressive.
2) Rosarium Uetersen: although not really red (but rather a dark pink, or "coral red") it is a beauty!
(These two come with the added bonus of being disease resistant as well).

This post was edited by mikeber on Mon, Apr 15, 13 at 22:53
the_morden_man
11 years ago
Quadra
Ramblin' Red
Illusion
Red Corsair

If the spot is somewhat sheltered and forms its own little microclimate, then you might be able to get away with Amadeus. It will dieback more than the others, but is very vigorous. All have a good number of thorns.
thorngrower sw. ont. z5
11 years ago
I have Quadra, Illusion, and John Cabot. But in zone 5 S.W Ontario between Lake St. Clair and Lakr Erie..All three are totaly winter hardy for me. Quadra is a great red, but has a small repeat for me. Illusion is a surprise. I always felt it would be tender here, but has turned out to be as good as my explorers. And has a excellent repeat. All three are diease.free. John Cabot is not red, more a dark pink fushia (sp?) more a hudge shrub than a climber..

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