Climbing Red Rose - Zone 4

11 years ago

Hello, Everyone!

As spring is here, I am excited for the thaw to start my second year of rose collection. I am looking for a good red rose (true/deep red... not coral/orange) to climb my storage shed. Scent is not important, as the location is away from walkways, but I would like to have a dependable eye candy for as long as the season allows. :-) If there is something with few thorns, it would be even better. What is your favorite?

Thank you,
Phoebe

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seil zone 6b MI
11 years ago
The two hardiest ones that come to mind quickly are John Cabot and Quadra. There may be others too though. I don't have experience with them myself but they're both red and rated to zone 3 at least
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wirosarian_z4b_WI
11 years ago
I recommend Ramblin' Red, does well for me in my Z4 area. I leave it on the trellis & have seen little or no winter damage except for the rabbits gnawing on it occasionally . Has shown good disease resistance for me also which I expected because comes from the same guy that hybridized Knock Out.

Here is a link that might be useful: Ramblin' Red
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First, thanks Gary..I didn't realze I had a response on this because I've also been posting on the "antique roses" forum and got a bunch of responses there..I did get a bunch of roses at Sam Kedem. I guess it remains to be seen if any of them make it! Twohuskies has been responding to my posts there and we're in a very similar little microclimate I think. I'll definitely look into the rose you all have suggested. And yes Gary I agree that Sam is great. He has great info on roses and is honest about what he thinks will be hardy. Here is one of my roses that seems to come back again and again that I remember being a Zone 5 but don't remember the name. I had one possible ID on the AR forum as an Austin Rose, "The Dark Lady" I'm not sure if that's right or not..The name doesn't sound familiar to me. This rose is definitely my favorite in my garden and has come for 7 winters with only minimal protection. I've lost LOTS of others since then.. look familiar to anyone?
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sefah
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Thank you to you both. Those are the three on my radar. LOL. There is a marked difference in color with the John Cabot, but I'm curious what the difference is between the other two. How are the thorns?
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michaelg
11 years ago
Quadra is thorny but has outstanding blackspot resistance and (according to northerners) winter hardiness. It has a handsome, old-style flower. Judging from comments here, northeastern growers seem to prefer Quadra, but midwesterners like Ramblin' Red.

John Cabot is always a deep fuchsia pink, not red as I use the word.
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mikeber
11 years ago
Zone 4 is difficult... (is it the North Pole?)
Anyway, in my milder climate, Kordes roses worked well for me. Maybe with some protection:
1) Dortmund: Individual flowers may not be extremely handsome, but the entire effect is impressive.
2) Rosarium Uetersen: although not really red (but rather a dark pink, or "coral red") it is a beauty!
(These two come with the added bonus of being disease resistant as well).

This post was edited by mikeber on Mon, Apr 15, 13 at 22:53
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the_morden_man
11 years ago
Quadra
Ramblin' Red
Illusion
Red Corsair

If the spot is somewhat sheltered and forms its own little microclimate, then you might be able to get away with Amadeus. It will dieback more than the others, but is very vigorous. All have a good number of thorns.
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thorngrower sw. ont. z5
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I have Quadra, Illusion, and John Cabot. But in zone 5 S.W Ontario between Lake St. Clair and Lakr Erie..All three are totaly winter hardy for me. Quadra is a great red, but has a small repeat for me. Illusion is a surprise. I always felt it would be tender here, but has turned out to be as good as my explorers. And has a excellent repeat. All three are diease.free. John Cabot is not red, more a dark pink fushia (sp?) more a hudge shrub than a climber..
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