ever-blooming climbing, very fragrant damascus??

15 years ago

Hello

I have (maybe) an impossible request.

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I'd love to plant "rosa damascena" and wondering if there's ever-blooming (longer the blooming season, the better) and climbing. If possible, pink-ish color.

There's a rose and there's damascena. I only likes damascus scent, like Crabtree & Evelyn skincare.

My zone is 11 (arizona) and will plant on east facing wall. Warm, lots of light but not too hot.

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And, which mail order is best to get, price and quality wise?

Thank you so much!

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jerijen
15 years ago
The closest I think we can come is 'Autumn Damask,' which will bloom heavily in the spring.
When mature, it can produce Fall bloom.
There is also a "Pickering Four Seasons Rose," which is something like a deep fuchsia version of Autumn Damask. More or less.

But these are not the species rose, R. damascena.
That rose is not remontant.

Jeri
michaelg
15 years ago
As far as I know, there are no climbing damasks, and Autumn Damask, as Jeri implies, is not a great repeater.

Many hybrid tea roses have strong damask scent, for example Perfume Delight (bright pink) and the famous dark reds, but the latter may burn in the desert sun.

I can't think of a pink climber with damask scent.
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I'd go along with Christopher's and Melissa's suggestions, and add Buff Beauty for your consideration. I may be mistaken, but I would have thought these three would be of a much more easily manageable habit and vigour for a fence of only 4ft high. Renae is virtually thornless while Blush Noisette and Buff Beauty are not normally overly thorny. (I have heard of some very thorny clones of Blush Noisette though, so perhaps double-check with your supplier before you order.) Yes, I know BB is yellow - just what you DIDN'T want! - but do just take a look at her; she's not the brassy type, just loads and loads of romantic ruffled blooms of pale apricot to soft gold to ivory, deepening in cooler weather to more pronounced apricot and peach tones, with a lovely fragrance that should waft in your steamy air. She's almost always found to be extremely disease-resistant with plenty of attractive dark, shiny foliage. She also LIKES to grow horizontally so it shouldn't take much persuasion at all to coax her along your low fence. Aimee Vibert is another Noisette I would have suggested as a not over-vigorous, almost thornless, very flexible/easily trained climber; except that Jeri has mentioned that the climber doesn't repeat. Over here she repeats well all season, so again, there may be differences in clones or strains developed in different areas and parts of the world. She puts out big clusters of pretty little 'milk-white' blooms and carmine buds, that exude a sweet, musky fragrance. I'm not sure how she would go in Georgia - as Melissa pointed out, the Noisette class originated in the American South, but this later one was created in France. An alternative to a climber might be to look at planting a row of shrub roses, as others have suggested, possibly splayed out and tied against the fence like climbers if there's not room for them to bush out to the front. I don't know about David Austins for your conditions - I think you really would need some local advice on which ones would be likely to flourish and not be impossibly disease-prone in your area. I'm sorry, I can't really comment on Eden/Pierre de Ronsard, either, other than to say I didn't think it had much fragrance, and I also suspect it may be another of those fully petal-packed types with a disappointing tendency to ball in humidity - again, I could be mis-remembering, and others may know better. Comtesse :¬)
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cincy_city_garden
15 years ago
I know you asked for Damask roses, but "Evelyn," a David Austin rose was selected by Crabtree & Evelyn to represent them.
mashamcl
15 years ago
Again, not a damask, but maybe Gertrude Jekyll?
Masha

Here is a link that might be useful: GT at Paul Barden's Roses
michaelg
15 years ago
There you go, Masha. Gertrude Jekyll has powerful damask scent and nasty damask thorns. Canes can run as long as 8'. I kept it as a small climber for a while. It was terribly susceptible to blackspot (as are most damasks), but that won't be a concern in Arizona. The flower is superb and better than any damask. Repeat is not as good as the better modern climbers.

Here is a link that might be useful: GJ at HMF
taoseeker
15 years ago
Hi Arizsun, lots of good ideas here.

I have to say that the real rose in bloom is much better than anything Crabtree & Evelyn or any other perfume maker have managed to capture in a bottle. A few of the red hybrid perpetuals have somehow managed to inherit the damacenner type fragrance, and again have passed it down to a few hybrid teas. These hybrid teas have again sported climbers. I grow Climbing Etoille de Hollande which is one of them. Going for either of these climbing hybrid teas is not a bad idea or perhaps one or two of the hybrid perpetuals General Jacqueminot or Souvenir du Docteur Jamain.

If you ever have rom for a repeat growing shrub, Comte de Chambord and Rose de Resht are well worth planting.

Not climbing, but Rose de Resht is probably the rose with most damacena blood and still very good repeat bloom, and arguably most fragrance of them all.
arizsun
Original Author
15 years ago
OMG! (seriously :D)
You people are so knowledgeable.. Hours of my research wouldn't find those answers. Thank you so much.Not only that, helpful names and links...

I would have never imagined "tea rose" can smell like damascus. Thank you for teaching me that.

I mentioned crabapple and Evelyn because that's the closest I can find in the US to an Eau de perfume I bought in France long time ago - no name, no manufacture on the bottle.I have been looking for that scent and didn't know it was damascus scent until very recently.

I have been only growing edibles but I have a best spot for a rose. Thank you again. I will start my research and find the best one for me.
jerijen
15 years ago
I would have never imagined "tea rose" can smell like damascus.

*** I don't believe there are any Tea Roses which have the Damask fragrance.

There are, however, quite a few HYBRID Tea Roses which have that fragrance.

Tea Roses are ancestors of the modern Hybrid Tea Roses, and are rarely available at local nurseries.

Hybrid Tea Roses are available at most local nurseries.

Jeri
User
9 years ago
Fragrance is different for everyone! Roses Like Chrysler Imperial Oklahoma, Mr Lincoln all have very strong fragrances that some claim to be very similar to Damask.
David Austin's Munstead wood also has a very strong "old rose fragrance"
The Portland Rembrandt has a very very beautiful damask like fragrance as does Rose De Rescht!
Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev
9 years ago
If you like damask scent arizsun, you might like to try something I bought at Target, Botanic's Rosewater Toning Spritz, 100% Organic. It was developed with plant extracts from Kew Royal Botanic Gardens. It smells heavenly!!! Very strong damask fragrance. Ingredients: Aqua (water), Alcohol denat, Glycerin, Rosa damascena flower oil, Citronellol.

I grow both Rose de Rescht and Pickering Four Seasons. Both have wonderful scent, but both are also smallish plants and don't climb. RdR has the better rebloom.

I have a magnificent damask with a powerful fragrance called York and Lancaster which I've grown for over 20 years in partial shade (bottom of plant in full shade, top of plant in full sun most of the day). It is now up on my roof but would only be able to climb with lots of support (wants to be floppy). However there is zero rebloom.

You might want to try Portland from Glendora. Wonderful, strong scent. This rose has fairly good rebloom and is quite willing to climb. If you want a headstart in getting it to a large size, I would suggest buying from Antique Rose Emporium in Texas. The shipping can be expensive but that is because they send out such big plants. One of my favorite vendors.

Comtesse O'Gorman is a hybrid perpetual that has a heavy, dreamy scent and climbing tendencies. I don't think it is in commerce at present unfortunately. It is red though, not pink.

Cl. Chrysler Imperial is another worth considering, if you can find it. It's a climbing hybrid tea with powerful fragrance and a liking for heat. Very good rebloom. I had 2 that perished in a wildfire in 2003. I have been unable to find replacements. :(

Another suggestion that you can look up on HelpMeFind is Yolande d'Aragon (I've seen it grow much taller than HMF indicates),

Or check out the damask/portland roses at Greenmantle Nursery and give Marissa a call there. She is very knowledgeable.

Melissa

Here is a link that might be useful: Damask and Portland Roses at Greenmantle
Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev
9 years ago
I forgot one, Stanwell Perpetual, I guess because I think of it more of as a spinosissima since it has the tiny leaves typical of the class. Flowers are all damask in looks and perfume to me. HMF says it is only moderately fragrant. Not in my garden. Here, the fragrance is quite strong. I have 2 plants of it. One is over 5 feet tall at around 3 years old and showing signs now of getting much bigger. This one is from Heirloom Roses in Oregon and has been blooming almost continuously since January. Blooms are a pale pink that fades to white in intense sun. I have another one of the same age from Rogue Valley Roses. This one is only maybe one foot tall and rarely blooms. A dud.

Melissa

Here is a link that might be useful: Stanwell Perpetual on HMF

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