Using (partly) unfinished compost come planting season...
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lasagna bed/unfinished compost question
Comments (5)Are you transplanting veggie plants or sowing seeds? I assume that when you built the lasagna bed you included ingredients with higher nitrogen - grass clippings, coffee grounds, kitchen waste?? You should not need to add any nitrogen. You should be able to plant right into the sheet mulch materials and the roots of the plants will grow down into the soil. Anaerobes should not be a problem now that you have the material spread out with air and drainage. It will all decompose. Rachel...See MoreHELP! 200 plants planted with Unfinished Compost
Comments (12)THANK YOU ALL -- and I had to laugh at the huge logs --- if wood chunks that large don't do damage... I image my little 2-4 inch pieces won't kill the plants. On the remaining 900 plants (yeah - we're pyscho - we have 1150 plants in all to plant), we switched gears and started using the finished compost (what the nursery was selling as top soil - but later explained was compost a year ago) in the holes. We mixed it with peat moss and in some cases vermiculite. We're going to use the remaining 15 cubic yards or so of the 'woody compost' (aka the compost I was freaking out about) on the TOP of the soil. We're thinking 1 to 2" of that followed by 1 to 2" of pine bark mulch for a max of 3" in total on top. We also bought some grass fertilizer for the bamboo -- the guy who sold us that recommended it anyways and supposingly its all nitrogen anyways. RUELLIA -- YES - it looks like that picture ...however, I specifically purchased "PURPLE SHOWERS" ..it was my understanding (dangerous internet surfer that I am) that Ruellia Brittanica 'Purple Showers' was "*STERILE*" so it did not spread like unnamed varieties. The nursery thought I was crazy (they said and I quote "we've never seen a sterile plant in our 10 years of being in business").. BUT I'm pretty sure one of the places I read about "Purple Showers" was on Gardenweb. Also Riverview Farms in FL also states Purple Showers is Sterile. I'm just hoping its not invasive. Billums_MS ... have you heard about Purple Showers being sterile (or less invasive) or do you think its all hogwash and I'm in deep trouble? I literally had 36 3-gallons planted right in the middle of our back yard. So if its invasive...boy will it wreak havoc here....See MoreHas any one ever used unfinished compost this way?
Comments (1)Yes, most everything that you mentioned will grow well in unfinished compost. I do that all the time, due to a variety of reasons. First, I like that I can get huge amounts of wood chips (the most acid of all organic amendments) for free, from tree companies. When they arrive, you have to put them somewhere, or your wife will divorce you, and that is on top of the beds. The chips are easy to move around with a pitchfork, whereas finished compost is much more of a pain (I produce small amount of finished compost for seedlings only). And the chips (or grass clippings, or leaves) do eliminate weeding, the chips for two years or so. Clippings and leaves, likewise, are easily movable with a pitchfork when they are still whole. Clippings go under plants as soon as they are produced, while leaves overwinter away from the garden only because piles of leaves turn into mice cities around here in the winter, otherwise they would go on the beds right away. Then you are left with the problem of having temporarily acid soil. For fruit trees and berries, that is not a problem. You will just mulch them with chips indefinitely, and they will be happy like that. I can guarantee that blueberries, raspberries, hardy kiwis, grapes, blackberries, pears, apples and currant are quite comfortable with wood chips only. All my flowerbeds and perennials get wood chips only, except irises and moonflowers, which need wood ash. The pH of the soil will rise as the matter decomposes, to the point where eventually the soil will get close to its original pH. There is a particular sequence that one has to follow to take advantage of this varying pH. Basically, amongst common veggies, potatoes will grow in wood chips that have been only slightly amended and are still too acid for most everything. In that soil, still not totally finished, the next year you will be able to grow tomatoes and squash and melons. The next year you can grow chicory (radicchio) and garlic. The next year you can try pole beans and collard. The next year the soil should be well done. Other large amounts of wood chips go well as a thick mulch (on top of finished soil) for tomatoes, all cucurbita, pole beans, collards, garlic and onions, and herbs. At the end of the season, I rake it in one pile at one end of the bed, and that will be a potato patch next year (repeat rotation). That is basically how I manage my soil. About 60% of my 8 beds were once wood chips. I use kitchen compost, which is quite N-rich, to correct the nitrogen deficiency of the chips. I also use urea and manure from my neighbor's horses, to the same effect (essentially N management). You have to add some N to unfinished compost, depending on its original green-brown ratio. You may have to add N for a few years. I use a lot of leaves, which produce nice, somewhat unfinished compost by May which is friendly to most vegetables. I particularly like leaves compost with lettuce. Finally, for some veggies even years later the soil remains a bit too acid. I add wood ash, which I have in great abundance. Virtually all veggies benefit from wood ash in my acid soil, but greens (arugula, rapini, bok choi, kale, tatsoi, spinach) and beets, in particular, can not grow without some. They prefer a more alkaline soil. I use wood ash basically for pH management. So most everything will grow well in the soil you have, if something looks poor, look up its optimal pH, then put lime or ash under it, on a case by case basis....See MoreUsing unfinished organic matter in actively planted areas
Comments (18)Yes, the whole question is whether or not the tie-up of nitrogen interferes with plants taking it up - if the nitrogen 'use' for breaking down the wood is slow enough, it won't be a factor. There are other factors of course - how much nitrogen is in the soil already and how available, air available and presence of nitrogen-fixing microbes, etc. Fungi are known to move nutrients around through mycelium - can they bring nitrogen in? Some of the claims about hugelkultur are that (compared to burying already composted soil amendments) it can last a very long time and the slow process contributes to a longer-lived soil bioweb, better drainage/water buffering (wood can absorb and release a lot of water - at moderate speeds), etc. And also that breaking down slowly has a beneficial impact on nutrient cycling and availability (less just gets washed out, as well as lowering the nitrogen tie-up). May be better in some soils than others, your mileage may vary, etc. It is also a decent way to get rid of wood and branches )). I'm not trying to push hugelkultur, but there are some decent reasons it may be different than tilling in other organic matter/compost or mulching with woodchips....See MoreKimmsr
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