Quadra doesnt have much of a fragrance, I notice a slight one in the morning, but very slight.. We dont have much of a choice in terms of repeat "climbers" and this one is as good as any for the north.. Its desease resistant to the core and has these deep red blooms at times. ITs thorny though so be prepared for battle..

A friend that has a huge collection of ramblers has this one growing on a fence. Her fence is six feet tall and is a rail type. Miss Parabere branches very well and has thin rambler type canes which also go well into medium size trees. I have roses of the same growth type and they never get watered in the summer. We have had less than three inches of rain total since June1st. Lance

I'm sorry if I encouraged or created what you perceive as a "push-pull" post, jaspermplants. That certainly wasn't my intention. None of us can speak for anyone but ourselves and we're all here for varying reasons. The underlying one is our love for beauty, roses in particular. And, many simply want something as beautiful and as trouble free as possible, which is absolutely understandable and valid. Others are very preservation minded, and I admit I belong to both "camps". I fully agree with campanula about not wasting resources on unhappy or unsuitable plants, of any kind. I've done it and it is tiresome and wasteful. I've personally always tried to grow things few others grew so I could enjoy seeing different things in your garden and enjoy sharing others with you in mine. Yes, there will always be over lap because many will appeal to us both. I know and respect landperson well enough to be sure she wrote nothing out of disrespect nor intent to offend anyone. That just isn't her style. Her motives for growing roses differ from mine quite a bit, as I'm sure others do, but they are fully as valid as mine or anyone else's. My main point is to grow what is happy where you grow them and, if at all possible and if it fits your desires, please add some which aren't as widely grown by everyone else. We all have the potential to act as small repositories to preserve those roses which have fallen from grace. I also completely agree that MANY have disappeared because they are either redundant or so terrible and unfortunate that they were even introduced, they deserved to disappear. I've searched for and grown quite a few which fell into that category, even taking location into consideration. There have been many truly unfortunate roses. Thankfully, very many of them have gone the way of the Dodo, never again to curse our gardens with their issues. But, there are still many very good roses which have become orphaned for many reasons, lack of advertising and limited distribution often being their main deficiencies.

(It sounds as if ordering from Hortico is a lot like playing the lottery.) I have the Quest-Ritson book. The photo section alone will blow you away. What a wonderful way to spend time -- a cup of tea and this book. The reason I went to Amazon the other day was to see if I could order Stephen Scaneillo's book. I ordered that one (which came yesterday -- another very good one.) While I was perusing the other rose books, I noticed the G. A. Stevens one (ordered that), and one by William Welch. I don't have the Thomas or Warner books. I guess it's time for me to create an Amazon wish list. I dream of creating a garden of roses over my head and lining the walls. Some of these climbers and ramblers are more than I can resist. I sat the other afternoon and went carefully through the Rogue Valley catalog. After all of the nice things said here about them, I have placed an order, I plan to order a number of roses from them later on. (One I got this time was "Connie's Favorite Gallica". I just had to do it.) I also ordered Emily Gray, and I will try Susan Louise and Erinnerung an Brod. Paul's Lemon Pillar will wait till at least a spring order, and I will also get Paul's Scarlet. (My favorite Aunt grew Paul's Scarlet, and I'll get it in tribute to her.) The photos of Mrs. Arthur Curtiss James are really pretty. I didn't used to like yellow roses much, but I seen to be drawn to them now. I guess we all go through phases. Connie