planting water lilies...what if I don't have proper garden soil?
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Comments (15)Hi, I am a part of my agricultural class at school and we created a fully indoor, self-sustained hydroponics system. However, as we are a public charter school, we have limited resources and are looking for donations. anything you can offer would be amazing. we can offer payment for shipping or SASBE. If you consider making a donation, please email me at makenziejordyn@yahoo.com Thank you so much, Jordyn P.S. We are just now learning how to start from seed, so any kind of donations you make would be appreciated. Plant sales will be used to help fund the school and excess produce will be donated to a local soup kitchen. :D...See MoreI don't think compost can help this clay soil
Comments (16)I gardened in SF clay for decades so I know what you're talking about. You cannot work California clay in January. That is the rainiest month, and right now you've gotten huge amounts of rain even for January. Wet clay should not and cannot be worked. I never planted anything in the ground (pots only) in December or January - the clay is too wet and too cold. A planter box should have purchased soil mix in it. Not clay. The comment about using plastic is to protect soil about to be planted in from getting excessively wet. Not for the whole yard. I would instruct my clients to tarp the area they wanted me to plant fruit trees in so it would be workable. Once clay is wet, you have to wait for it to drain a few days before you can work it. (Hence the tarping beforehand.) Squeeze a bit in your hand. If it squeezes through your fingers and remains in one piece with ribbons sticking out where it came through your fingers, it's too wet. It should crumble at least a little bit before you try to work it. When it's dry enough, compost is the best thing. Gypsum does not work in California clay. You will not transform it overnight, or even in a year or two. It will always be clay, and that's not a bad thing - I miss clay. Here I'm gardening in dirty gravel, with no water retention or nutrient retention or any measurable organic matter. Most trees and shrubs will grow in clay just fine, with annual additions of a little compost. Lettuce and other vegies are a different story, they need a looser soil. That's where mounding up amended soil comes in. Dig up the clay, add some compost and maybe some purchased topsoil, and mix it all together and heap it up above grade. Don't just lay stuff on top of the clay and then plant in it, as water will sit on top of the clay and the plants' roots will then be sitting in water. Mix it up so it grades from amended soil to the native clay. Compost helps any soil, clay or sand. You just can't work clay soil after all that rain you've gotten. You'll have to wait for it to dry a bit....See MoreLasagna gardening if you don't have the materials?
Comments (7)Kaky ~ I'd call that a really good thread on one-layer lasagna, lol. Years ago, I was taught that method as a good way to plant Irish [white] potatoes, especially if you're planting them during a cold spring. Personally, I'm a little cautious about recommending corrugated cardboard as a layer because so many people have complained that it doesn't decompose properly or seems to interfere with overall decomposition. Donn is sort of right about the air inside the corrugations being a help in the composting process, however, that air moves out as water seeps in and the over-materials weight the cardboard down. I suspect if he had dug apart a springtime bed a couple months later, he would have either found a sodden, partially decomposed area of wet papers (with the corrugations squished), OR composting lasagna on top and dryish materials below the cardboard if the cardboard had never been thoroughly wetted... and some corrugated cardboard is very, very thick and very difficult to wet. Keep in mind that the straw, hay, or grass incorporates a lot of air when it is placed, and the soil itself has air in it. OTOH, the posters are pleased with the method and the more people who learn how easy lasagna is, the better :-) The St. Francis posting on lawns was hilarious, thanks....See MoreSome plants don't grow in my garden
Comments (10)Okay! With this info, perhaps we can help. First, parsley is a fall and winter crop here in Mississippi. You plant it when the temps start to fall about late October, and it produces through the cold months, bolting in mid to late spring. I assume that chinese parsley would be the same, since very many chinese greens are also cold weather crops. By the way, this info goes for cilantro and sage too. Sweet alyssum is a cool weather flower. It is virtually impossible for me to grow here in Mississippi. The weather is way too hot for it between May and early November. And, it wont do well in the cool months either, because it won't take much frost. So, it rarely has enough time to grow and bloom before either a freeze gets it in late fall or the heat of summer gets it in spring. I grow Euphobia Diamond Frost instead. It has the same baby's breath kind of look and the hotter it gets, the better it blooms. (No fragrance, though.) There could be one or two reasons for your marigold problems. We have had a weird spring here. It warmed up nicely in mid March and seduced me into planting tomatoes, squash, and cucumbers. Then the nights promptly cooled back down into the forties and the plants didn't grow. They were so stunted, that I finally pulled them up and replanted in May. (lesson learned.) Marigolds are a hot weather flower and they hate cold soil, so if you planted them before the last week of April, this could be your trouble. On the other hand, since your shastas aren't doing well either, and if they and the marigolds are planted together, my next guess is poor drainage. You say your soil is soft and squishy when it's wet. About three days after a rain, is it still soft and squishy? Moldable, like Play Dough? I'm betting the answer is yes. Virtually the entire state of Mississippi has clay soil. What you want is clay loam. That's the goal, but as LAgal said, it's not a fast or easily realized goal. The answer is organic matter and lots of it. That term includes any and/or all: peat moss, chopped leaves, homemade compost, grass clippings, composted (not fresh) manures, and kitchen fruit and vegetable peels (not meat or dairy). If you want fast results, you need to pile a minimum of six inches, though a foot or more is better, of this material and till it in. Let the soil rest for a couple of weeks (for the material to break down) and then plant. Be sure to mulch well. But it's so gosh awful hot out there!.... So, if I were you, I would pot up the shastas and anything else you want to keep, cover the entire area with cardboard or 10 sheet thickness of newspring (not shiny or colored ink parts), overlap the edges so no light gets in, wet it down with a hose, and then pile on the organic material for the rest of the summer. You want 18 inches to 3 feet of stuff. By mid to late fall, you should be able to plant in it, though if you want, you can wait till spring. Just cover the pile with pinestraw mulch over the winter. You'll be amazed at the difference in your soil! Everybody thinks that gardening is about plants, and it is. But the way to have a beautiful garden, is to create top notch soil. There's no shortcuts or detours around it. Build your soil and your soil will give you gorgeous plants....See Moresleeplessinftwayne
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