Noisette Roses - 19th Century Charlestons Gift to the World

15 years ago

This is the name of a new book available via the Charleston Horticultural Society.

I just ordered a copy, so have not seen the book yet. But it has been highly recommended by others.

See their website re: ordering information:

http://www.charlestonhorticulturalsociety.org/

The Heritage Rose Foundation provided grant money for this book and the Charleston Horticultural Society indicates that this is part of why the book is so inexpensive.

A good reason to join the HRF if you are not already a memeber:

http://www.heritagerosefoundation.org/

Janelle

Here is a link that might be useful: Charleston Horticultural Society

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gnabonnand
15 years ago
Thanks for the heads up. That looks to be a great book. America's own class of OGR.

Randy
jerijen
15 years ago
Bill Grant says that it's one everyone needs to own.
Well, Bill's another Californian But I'd agree that all of us in mild climates probably need it, eh?

Jeri
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Jen, some of the best books are available used, at VERY reasonable prices. Search ABEbooks . . . I HIGHLY recommend Mrs. Keays book. It's one of the books I keep closest to my hand. "OLD ROSES." Everyone ought to have a copy of "A BOOK ABOUT ROSES" by Dean Hole. (You can find this VERY inexpensively, because it ran to so many editions.) For the sheer romance of the thing, look for "IN SEARCH OF LOST ROSES" by Thomas Christopher. (Just don't take everything he writes as gospel.) For warm-climate gardeners, the new book on Tea Roses is an essential. It's "TEA ROSES: Old Roses For Warm Gardens." AND "NOISETTE ROSES: 19TH CENTURY CHARLESTON'S GIFT TO THE WORLD" See if you can find a copy of "LANDSCAPING WITH ANTIQUE ROSES," Druitt & Shoup. That was my Bible, starting out. Of course, there are many more. That's just a start. I have Austins and Beales big books, but they are British-Centric. They don't apply well to Southern CA, so they are banished these days to the less-accessible bookshelves. Jeri
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(Andersons in Point Loma FYI for the Diegans. Amazing staghorn selection!) *** We've been there, and yes, they do. We have had the Druitt/Shoup book: "LANDSCAPING WITH ANTIQUE ROSES" since it first came out. It's rather worn, now, for I have made great use of it. (This isn't the book Druitt wrote later, on her own, which is also good.) Some might also enjoy Bill Welch's "ANTIQUE ROSES FOR THE SOUTH," Taylor Publishing, (c) 1990. This was one of my first few rose books -- another that I bought when it first came out. I loved it from the beginning, and still do. And while we're on the subject of books, any who are in Noisette Territory should own: "NOISETTE ROSES: 19th CENTURY CHARLESTON'S GIFT TO THE WORLD" Published by the Charleston Horticultural Society, this is a slim book, superbly edited by Virginia Kean. You can order it through the web site of the Heritage Rose Foundation, and I recommend it highly. Jeri Here is a link that might be useful: To Order The Noisette Book
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I'm pretty sure that the first few pix are of ""Natchitoches Noisette", I wonder if one of the rose just before the yellowish climber might be 'Multiflore de Vaumarcus'? The last 2 pix in the first post might be 'Rêve d'Or'? Or not... The feathery pink flowers in the 1st 3 photos of the second post look like "Peppermint China" or maybe this contender for the 'Bougainville' name? I think more than one rose is in commerce by that name; I don't know which is the original, but I like those spiky, stripey flower petals. Here's another photo of the rose just afterwards- do you think you know what it is? It looks familiar, but I'm just not sure I can place it: The next rose looks like it belongs to the 'Lamarque' family? The pink Noisette after that might be the Camellia Rose? And the last photo could be 'Champneys' Pink Cluster'? There are several 'CPC' imposters as well as pretenders to the 'Blush Noisette' throne... I might be able to e-mail this link to someone who would know, but perhaps someone here may be able to sort these out? Virginia
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I showed these photos (on my phone) to Anita yesterday at the Celebration of Old Roses. She suggested that this rose could be Rosa odorata. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3341.5 What do you guys think about that? Anita, are you out there? I can see the resemblance, but at least among the pix on HelpMeFind, the plants don't seem to have similar bloom clusters, nor to be nearly as smothered in blooms as the one I found, though I guess that could be due to other factors. Also, the HMF description says height of 1 or 2 feet -- no way! Or am I looking at the wrong "odorata" listing? Perhaps you meant this rose -- odorata sempervirens (noisette tea) -- description says clustered bloom and tall/climbing, but there are no photos of it on HM: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.28620.6 None of the other "odorata" roses listed seem right to me, either. Please weigh in, one and all! Sheba
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gnabonnand
15 years ago
Below is a link to a view of the cover of the book.

Randy

Here is a link that might be useful: Cover of Book
jacqueline9CA
15 years ago
Thanks very much for the info - I just called them and ordered one - $17.00 - what a steal! Thanks, HRF! I am so happy that books on old roses that do well in warm areas are coming out - the Australian book on teas, and now a book on noisettes!

I do get tired when rose folks (frequently in ARS publications, and I have seen it in my local "rose society" too) refer to all old roses as "once bloomers". Of course, they are refering to most of the old European roses, which don't do well in our climate here anyway. The people who think old roses are all once bloomers should see my noisettes, chinas & teas, which usually have some bloom for 10 - 11 months. Pruning some of them this month and last, I am cutting off buds (you get used to it).

Now, if we could have a book on chinas....anybody know of one available or being written? (One thing it would NOT say about pruning - "Be sure to cut off all twiggy growth" !).

Jackie
cemeteryrose
15 years ago
Jackie, I absolutely agree about the frustration of people thinking that all "old roses" are once-bloomers. I was just talking to someone about the rose sale we'll have at the Sacramento cemetery open garden, and he asked "Are any of your roses repeat blooming?" He was stunned when I answered that almost ALL of them repeat - we propagate the roses that people love and that do well in Sacramento, which are HPs, Chinas, Teas, HMS and, of course, noisettes.

Sounds like another book that has to go on my shelf. I need another shelf....
Anita
catsrose
15 years ago
I just ordered, also Roger Mann's book on rose names. I just got Stephen's. A good spring for books.
jerijen
15 years ago
Now, if we could have a book on chinas....anybody know of one available or being written? (One thing it would NOT say about pruning - "Be sure to cut off all twiggy growth" !).

*** It's AMAZING how difficult it is to get that point across!
Even people who have some experience with roses find it difficult to block that business of removing twiggy growth from their minds -- when dealing with China Roses.
I've had people say: "But shouldn't I at least clean out the center? Shouldn't I AT LEAST remove some of the twiggy growth?"
It's just so in-grained in people's minds.

Jeri
malcolm_manners
15 years ago
Certainly, the CHS is a good and worthy place to buy this book. But just so you'll know, HRF will also be selling it. Our shipment was just a bit later arriving. Watch the HRF website if you want to order it there.
Malcolm

Here is a link that might be useful: HRF website
carolfm
15 years ago
Thank your for sharing that information, Janeen. I need this book :-).
Thanks Malcolm, I'll wait and order mine from the HRF.

Carol
gnabonnand
15 years ago
Yes, I agree ... next, we need a book devoted to china roses.

Randy
catsrose
15 years ago
My copy just arrived. Ultra-fast service. It's a lovely book, gorgeous photosand so far nicely written. They've divided the catalog section into identified and found roses, and the found gives a bit of history on the where/when/who, which is fun.
anntn6b
15 years ago
Is there a list of lost/temporarily misplaced noisettes?
amiroses_fr
15 years ago
The Noisette Roses Book is now available for International Shipping on the HRF Website.

Here is a link that might be useful: Buy it Now!
jerijen
15 years ago
Is there a list of lost/temporarily misplaced noisettes?

*** MANOMAN, would THAT ever be valuable!

Jeri
windeaux
15 years ago
A list of lost/temporarily misplaced Noisettes would indeed be valuable -- esp if it sparked interest that led to the rediscovery of some of the long- and mysteriously misplaced ones.

I'll keep hoping that news comes some fine day announcing that the Noisette-Tea Noisette 'Madame Chauvry' with her large apricot blooms has at last been found growing happily in some out-of-the-way garden.
carolfm
15 years ago
Thank you Etienne. I'll get mine ordered.

Carol
aimeekitty
13 years ago
Just posting to recommend this book again. I really enjoyed it. I'm from Charleston (grew up there) so I really enjoyed learning more about the history and I also liked the reviews and opinions on various noisettes in the book. It's a lovely book and definitely worth the read.

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