I have St. Ptrick on order grafted from S&W Greenhouse for Spring, but Palatine Roses also carries it (both excellent sellers & appear to still have it in stock). Roses Unlimited & Burlington carry it own root, but I've always been told a rule of thumb is to buy HT's grafted...some of the other posters may be able to shed some light on how St. Patrick grows ownroot though. My Pope John Paul came from J&P. I bought mine grafted, but it looks like this year they're only selling it ownroot. ~Tammy

I had PJPII and got rid of it. Just wasn't very vigorous at all. I now have Maria Shriver and am in love. Glorious Grandiflora -- heavenly smell. Don't waste your time trying to figure it out. . .don't know why everyone raves so.

Since you have not got a reply I will answer you. These are both very popular roses. It is not likely that someone is going to have a spare one laying around that they don't want and since both of these are patented that is your only hope. Your best bet would be to order them online. I have 2 of both of them. PJP was ordered from Jackson and Perkins. Ebb Tide was ordered from Jungs (If I were you I would order this one from Chamblee's). Go to help me find .com (minus spaces) and look up these roses. There will be a tab at the top which will tell you where they are sold. HTH Sunni

You might find Sugar Moon Grafted from a big box store. That is where I got mine. Btw, its growth habit is fairly upright if that helps with placement. Mine died back over winter, but that could have been the result of the root canker of which it eventually died. I buy for fragrance and this one is tops. My DH even made and exception for a white rose! : )) It's not as clean a white as PJP11 which I feel allows it to blend with others a bit more, and as I mentioned it has gorgeous stamens. I'll see if I can find an old pic. Actually, here is my original post with some good pics and others' comments. Ignore my placement of this rose as everything mentioned failed in this bed, but is thriving elsewhere (except SM : (( ). I eventually planted Ghislaine de Feligonde and it loves the spot. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4113178/sugar-moon-size-and-growth-habit-sun-needs#n=12