The Allure of The Early English Roses
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Aren't english roses just modern hp's?
Comments (29)In my experience some of the early "English Roses" exhibit a growth habit very similar to what we associate with the Hybrid Perpetuals; i.e. long lanky canes that only bloom at the tips. However, the English Roses are in all actuality a very mixed bag when it comes to growth habits and remontancy. For example, my favorite English Rose MOLINUEX exhibits a growth habit and repeat bloom similar to a Floribunda. HERITAGE has always reminded me of the Bourbons (although the pale warm pink color is more on par with the Alba MAIDEN'S BLUSH) and THE PILGRIM looks like a Tea-Noisette (the light green foliage, climbing canes, delicate yellow flowers and Tea Rose fragrance are the selling points). Then there is WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE 2000, which has flowers that are dead ringers for a highly developed Gallica combined with a short, spreading shrub. It is of my opinion that what David Austin is really trying to achieve is a class of remontant Centifolias. These are the "Old Rose Hybrids" he seems to favor. The flower form is more globular (i.e. cabbage like) than the quartered, cupped or semi-double formation found with so many of the Old Garden Roses. Growth habit is medium in height and bushy to slightly spreading in habit. Remontancy is continuous, similar to a Floribunda or a shrub rose like BELINDA'S DREAM. Disease resistance is steadily improving, with THE MAYFLOWER representing a true success in this area. Fragrance is strong and intense. Among his "Old Rose Hybrids" he seems to favor bouquets dominated by the classic Damask scent, but as we've seen isn't adverse to putting out a myrrh scented rose. All these factors add up to what I think David Austin is trying to achieve in his breeding programs. BTW, speaking of Myrrh - I hate it. The scent first appeared among David Austin's roses with the once blooming CONSTANCE SPRY, which is the result of a cross between BELLE ISIS (Gallica) x DAINTY MAID (Floribunda). I've been told it's strong myrrh fragrance is sweeter than most, but I really can't say for sure because I don't grow once bloomers. I do have a few of his other myrrh scented roses and can report with a degree of certainty that the fragrance mix varies considerably. For example, I really like TAMORA's fragrance, which is a blend of fruit and myrrh. Others not-so-much. Frankly I won't buy a myrrh scented "Austin" until I get a chance to smell it first. Just my 2 cents worth. Best wishes, Patrick...See MorePlease share your experiences with English rose 'Eglantyne'
Comments (23)molinuex, I was on line searching some information and accidentally come back to this post. Wow, what a beautiful picture for SA. Actually, I have one SA already, but it's grafted on Dr.Huey. So I am thinking about getting an own root and hopely I can keep it longer this time. It sure is a winner compared to Eglantyne . When I look out of my window now, I can see my 3' high SA blooms like crazy (the flowers are smaller in summer though) and only has BS here and there. On the other hand, the giant 6' Egalantyne is covered with BS and has two or three tiny flower buds. Even, their are both under the guard the Bayer 3 in 1. Every time, when I walk pass Eglantyne, I just can hear he (or she) crying for a "spread"....See MoreZone 4, English Roses In Early Summer
Comments (11)Ratdogheads, not much repeat on The Pilgrim here, but that is because it is almost too tender to survive in this climate and struggles to come back from the ground each spring. I grow it because the blooms are one of my favorites and even a few for a several weeks a year are worth it to me. Cynthia, The Yeoman, lives in a pot and is kept indoors in my unheated storage room. Temperatures there seldom go below -10C (17 F). So it hasn't really experienced zone 4 temperatures since I got it. It has taken 4 years to really get going, but I am loving it this summer. It is a wee blooming machine now it has developed a good root system. Seems to like growing in a pot too. Geoff Hamilton this morning. This rose is gorgeous and fragrant, now four years old. He hasn't re-bloomed well in the past, but this year doesn't want to stop. I have finally learned patience with roses in a cold zone. Many take four or more years to grow a good root system and really get going. Short growing season and a need to come back from a very servere die back every year means they need lots of time to establish roots before I judge them. Note: You can click on the smaller format images to enlarge them. My Austin Reds are all just beginning to bloom. This one is Darcy BusselHere they all are in their pot condo, I have The Squire, Darcy B, Munstead Wood and a Barden Rose, Siren's Keep, all in pots in a corner where they get some afternoon shade. But it has been hot and humid here for the past week and I notice the flowers are much smaller than normal. Likely heat stress particularly to the roots as the pots heat up. We need to water them at least once a day. This is the Squire, an oldie, but a goodie Finally a bloom of Wenlock, another oldie, but very strong Damask rose fragrance and good repeat on a vigorous health plant. Cheers, Rick...See MoreRoseslugs once again desecrating my English roses
Comments (5)rosecanadian - oh I do. We are talking about hundreds of them. No sooner are they killed or removed do new ones come. They repopulate in 72 hours. chris209 - I was trying to stay away from heavier chemicals but I may have to resort. We don't get many birds in our yard bc it's very tiny and we are boxed in by a high fence. I have tried feeders before and we get the occasional dove and then many squirrels....See Moreingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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