A Mystery Rose. Autumn Sunset?

14 years ago

Last Friday I put up a blog post with photos and a description of a yellow rose that I have been unable to identify. I admit that I'm not too good with modern roses, which I think this rose may be.

A reader commented that he/she thought the mystery rose may be Autumn Sunset. I looked carefully at the photos of AS on HMF, and it looks like we have a viable candidate.

I don't grow Autumn Sunset, so online photos are all I have to use for comparison. If you grow Autumn Sunset, or are familiar with it in person, will you please take a look at the photos linked below to see what you think.

This rose has been a mystery for me for WAY too long. Any assistance I can get with this will be very much appreciated.

Connie

Here is a link that might be useful: Mystery Rose Blog Post

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karl_bapst_rosenut
14 years ago
Although Autumn Sunset is usually a climber, there is a shrub version.
Your picture of the bloom looks very much like it but both of mine are climbers. Mine is very disease resistant. I don't recall any blackspot on it and I don't spray. Autumn Sunset is a 1986 sport of Westerland. If it's been in that cemetary longer than that, you should continue looking.
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mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
14 years ago
The leaves don't really look right - not thick or shiny enough. The canes may also not be right, but there aren't any good enough pictures to tell.

About the only yellow HT I have any experience with is King's Ransom. So how do I interpret the fact that it does look like that? It may simply by a common look for yellow HTs.
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Although we are both in zone 5a our winters probably are quite a bit different in snowfall amounts and some other factors that could make a difference in the surviveability of various climbers. Westerland has been struggling for me since I planted it 5 years ago. Part of the problem is it was not getting enough water due to a sprinkler not reaching it. That's been fixed and now sprouts a few long canes each year that are stingy with blooms. It's not planted deep but comes back each year after losing all it's canes. This year, it has one cane struggling to grow. I'll keep babying it as long as it survives the winters. Autumn Sunset is not protected but comes back strong each year. It dies back but never to the ground. This year it had 2-3 foot of green on the canes. It blooms heavily begining in early June and continues all summer. I have two, one planted on either side of a small arbor. Awakening was just planted last year but survived winter well with little dieback. My two Fourth of July have a similar habit as Autumn Sunset. New Dawn survived green almost to the tips. Berlin was a real winner regarding winter dieback. City of York, growing through a chain link fence also has lots of cane survival as did Dublin Bay, Coral Dawn, Darlow's Enigma, Clair Matin, and Leverkusen. I've planted a few more climbers climbers this year, Dortman, Pele', and Royal Sunset. Dortman and Royal Sunset should do well in zone 5a but Pele' will probably require severe pruning each spring.
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Thanks for all your kind remarks----I really can't take any credit for the color combination---Zeffy was already on the arbor and I was short on space ----I wasn't sure what this rose was ---it was a gift so I just stuck it in were I could find room and then it started to grow and grow and grow--it is a very healthy rose and is competing with Zeffy for space but I do like them next to each other Now I feel that AS deserves its own arbor. Florence
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jaxondel
14 years ago
'Autumn Sunset' has a pronounced fragrance. How strong is the scent on your mystery rose? Also, how much does the rose fade? None of your photos show the cream color that the rose fades to fairly quickly. The faded color is comparable to the shade of cream that 'Julia Child' achieves as it fades.
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chuck_billie
14 years ago
I've grown the climber form for many years and I don't think any of the picture are AS.
The first couple of pics are single in form, then a the last few pics are an entirely different flower form.
Also, mine is more of an orange blend.
As mentioned above it's also very fragrant.
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hartwood
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks, guys.

The photos I posted were taken at various times of the year, during the last three years. This rose receives no water and minimal care, which complicates its ID. I don't imagine it looks the same there in the cemetery as it would if it grew here in the garden. That's why I'm trying so hard to get a cutting to root.

I can't tell you about fragrance, because I am seriously fragrance-impaired. I know, I know, I grow hundreds of roses and I can't smell very many of them. I usually rely on the noses of friends to detect fragrances.

Autumn Sunset sure looked like a possibility. I'll keep it on the list, just in case, but I guess I have to keep looking.

Connie
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