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Growing season and weather in Finland and fruit trees

dennis1983
13 years ago

Hi

As Jellyman suggested "many of us would" like to hear (direct reference from Jellyman text) about growing season, weather and fruit trees grown in Finland. Also growing berries in Finland. O.K. i may try to tell something. First i need to say i do not know many gardeners here, so i look catalogs, what our shop sell.

Growing season is is quite long here considering how north Finland is locating. Finland is about from 60 degrees north to 70 degrees north. South north way Finland is over 1 000 kilometres long (over 621 miles). So growing season varies quite much in different places. We have been said growing season is 1 month shorter in northern places than it is from southern places, from both side. So growing season starts 1 month earlier in south than north and ends 1 month later in northern places than it does in southern places. So total difference is 2 months. That is the genral picture.

I live in southern Finland, or southwestern Finland. If you think how north Finland is located, i can say if i would go to directly to the west, i would end about to Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A. It is about as north as i am, maybe there is 0,2 degree difference, (i am little northern perhaps). Yes Finland is about north as Alaska, U.S.A., Siberia, Russia and southern Greenland. But before you think it, there is big difference Finland and Alaska. Do you know what is it? If you live in north Carolina, New Jersey, Georgia, Maryland, generally eastern U.S.A. you should know this (or at least hear of it sometime). It is gulf stream, which keep Finland warmer than Alaska. You know Alaska do not have gulf stream, it is not even in atlantic ocean, it is pacific ocean in there.

I do not have now time for more to write weather, but i write some fruit trees which can be grown Finland (or at least is seen sold here). You might got surprised that there is some plants and varieities which is grown in U.S.A. (I think i saw something sold in California. Not very sure at this moment, do not time now to check.) I write english name, latin name to help you identifie plant and variety (Not all plants here have varieties).

Peach (Prunus Persica) We have few peach varieties for sale here. Varieities :

Red Heaven, we have this variety for sell, this one variety which many of here Gardenweb is talking, how good it is. Some internet site call this as standard quality, where everyone else is compared. I do not have now describtion at this moment for this variety, but i guess you know this variety. It is grown in U.S.A.

Sevtsenko not information in this writing moment.

Maira is variety from baltic.

Reliance This variety has been said to be hardy. Some of people here in U.S.A. have been said to grown this variety.

Frost This peach have been grown in U.S.A (Washington state). It has been said to be resistant to some disease, do not have that disease name right now in my mind.

Apricot (Prunus Armeniaca) we have few apricot varieties for sale here. Varieities:

Royal not information at this moment in my mind.

Rusoposki not information at this moment in my mind.

Apple tree (Malus Domestica) We have a lot apple trees for sale here, say over 100 varieties. 2 varieties that is grown in U.S.A. are :

Valkea kuulas and Antonovka. Valkea kuulas has been translated to english and it is in english language Yellow Transparent (If i remember right). Antonovka is Antonovka in english, it can't be translated.

Pear tree (Pyrus Communis) We have many pear trees fruit trees in sale. We have 1 variety which is said to be here in Gardenweb growing in U.S.A (It is below variety). Varietoes:

Flemish Beauty It is pear tree variety, which is grown in U.S.A.

Pilar apple tree (Malus Ballerina) We have few pilar apple tree varieties for sale. Varieties:

Flamenco not any information in my mind right now

Polka not any information in my mind right now

Arbat same as above, not any information right

Dzin Same to this variety as well not any information at this writing moment

Sweet cherries (Prunus Avium) We have many sweet cherry varities available. We have for sale many varieties which is grown U.S.A. as well (Sorry not any information in my mind about those varieities). Some varieties which is grown in U.S.A. is below :

Sunburst is sweet cherry variety.

Sam is also sweet cherry varity.

Lapins is another sweet cherry variety.

Stella is sweet cherry variety.

Van is sweet cherry variety.

Sour cherry (Prunus Cerasus) We have many sour cherry varities for sale.

Cherry plum (Prunus Cerasifera) We have many cherry plum varieties for sale.

We have Dwarf Cherry (Prunus Fruticosa) 1 variety for sale. That variety is below :

Maksimovskaja is Dwarf Cherry variety. Not more information at this moment in my mind.

Plum (Prunus Domestica) We have many plums varieties for sale. One variety is below:

Victoria not any information on my mind at this moment.

I just quickly did this to start at telling this, so i may try to get information of some varities.

I found one internet site which have pictures about our fruit trees, but before you go there by clicking below link, look that image in next link. I see this from one catalog, which i got, WOW i would say that fruit looks very nice and attractive in my opinion, both in color and form. It is Cherry Plum (Prunus Cerasifera) variety Kometa.

Click now this link http://www.kauppila.fi/kuvat/taimisto/hedelmapuut/pages/14301kometa10.htm

Here is the link to photo gallery (Scroll left frame to see more pictures, click image to it to load on the right side) :

http://www.kauppila.fi/kuvat/taimisto/hedelmapuut/

Sorry it may be little slow to load with slow internet connection (If you use modem).

I try to continue later. What you think above Kometa cherry plum based on that picture (Just curious, want to know what you think about it after seeing image)?

Comments (16)

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    Sorry i wrote wrong one thing, i need to fix. I wrote "So growing season starts 1 month earlier in south than north and ends 1 month later in northern places than it does in southern places".

    This is logical error, first one is correct, the second is not true. Should have said and end 1 month earlier in northern places than it does in southern places. Not in end 1 month later in northern places. Sorry for wrong information, now i fix it (hopefully nobody is not able to notice this error before i post this message.)

    Also wrote "That is the genral picture.". Looks like i did not write e character ot genral, should been genral, so it should have that is the general picture.

    Sorry of those mistakes.

  • franktank232
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Here in Wisconsin, PBS (public television) carries a few cooking shows from Norway. One is with host Andreas Viestad...I know of one episode where he is in an apple orchard and there are Fjords all around him...very cool. Beautiful country, good foods. Our winters here are much colder then yours, but i'm guessing our summers are much warmer, more humid.

    To put in another perspective, the latitude where i live is about the same as S. France where palm trees grow outside.

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  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    Hi Franktank232 there. I do not know this people you mentioned and i am not much into cooking, but yes i think you got it pretty good way. Yes you have cold winter in Wisconsin true, to your guess... I do not know where you live exactly, but i saw you talked about peaches somewhere in Gardenweb. I remember you talked about La Crosse, Wisconsin somewhere about that place (I have on some things good memory). Was it some 100 miles of north of La Crosse? or south? i bet on north of it.

    Regarging your guess about your summers are much warmer, more humid. I can't give you answer right, now i might check Wundergound data next weekend. Is Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A. good place to look, near you or same kind of weather you have? Sorry i used to look in Wunderground during weekends.

    On your last paragraph, you compared you to south France. But there is a one difference, you are not near ocean, France is in (some places). Ocean moderates temperature.

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    Back. I think i need to help you little bit about those images in link which i gave, as you probably do not understand finnish language.

    Here is few finnish word regarding fruit trees and english equivalent word to it

    persikka = peach
    puu = tree
    persikkapuu = peach tree
    kirsikka = cherry
    makea = sweet
    hapan = sour
    makeakirsikka = sweet cherry
    hapankirsikka = sour cherry
    luumu = plum
    luumupuu = plum tree
    omena = apple
    omenapuu = apple tree
    p¤rynä = pear
    päärynäpuu = pear tree
    aprikoosi = apricot
    aprikoosipuu = apricot tree
    kirsikkaluumu= cherry plum
    kääpiökirsikka = dwarf cherry

    Dwarf cherry another name is European Dwarf Cherry, yes if you think it.

    Now to that image gallery (Link was above). First image to load is apple tree (Malus Domestica) variety named Bergius. It is that image which has name 1009Bergius.jpg on left frame. Then after that there is many aplle image. Image 10809Valkeakuulas.jpg is yellow transparent. It has been grown in U.S.A. 4 Images below that are too Valkea Kuulas, Yellow Transparent.

    Those image looks like to named by variety. So the name on file name is variety name if you think of it.

    When you scroll down, to image 1250.Malusperheoma.jpg it is apple tree too but there is many (Grafted? is that right word to it? i think so) apple varieties in 1 tree as you can see/guess on image.

    Below that image is 13031_luumu_shers.jpg those are plums (Prunus Domestica) and they continue until you go to image named 13401jpg.

    There starts pear (Pyrus Communis) images. Images named 1366 Flemish Beauty.jpg is Flemish Beuaty variety of pear, which has been growing in U.S.A. I have seen someone from here in Gardenweb who grows this variety, i think that person live in Rhode Island (My memory says so).

    On images 1370.jpg stars Sour Cherries (Prunus Cerasus) and continue until image named 13863KirsikkaStella.jpg

    13863KirsikkaStella.jpg is image from Sweet cherry variety of Stella. Actually that image shows the fruit tree not fruits of that tree. 4 Images below are Stella sweet cherry images, 13863Makeakirsikka'Stella' shows Stella variety fruits, yes if you think it. Oh oh it shows also date on that image 14.7.2002. (day.month.year), could this show what stages Stella sweet cherry variety was in that date perhaps? What you think?

    Images 13883 shows Lapins variety of sweet cherry fruits, both images, i think. Images 13893 shows Sunburst variety of images - and yes again in date in fruit images.

    Images 13898 shows sweet variety of Sam and again with date. Image 1389 belongs to Sunburst variety.

    Image 13902 is Kristiina variety of sweet cherry. Here in Gardenweb many i have hear variety "Kristin" which was talked about. Is Kristin man or woman name? Kristiina is woman name, so if "Kristin" is woman, could it have been same variety? What you think based on those fruit image?

    Image 13914 is variet of Vytenu Geltonoji, it is yellow colored variety of sweet cherry.

    Then starting with image named 1392 pepi.jpg starts pears (Pyrus Communis).

    14019 is Sweet cherry (again) varity Burlat.

    Image 1416 starts peach images (Prunus Persica). Image 1418 is peach Frost variety of peaches. This has variety been growing in U.S.A. probably northwest U.S.A. in Washington states. One of those images shows Frost variety flowers and some others fruits.

    Image 14193 is Peach variety Red Heaven. Your very well reputed and liked peach variety.

    Image 14273 and 14274 are apricots (Prunus Armeniaca) images, as well image number 1274. Image 14293 is peach variety image of Maira.

    Starting image 14301 you see cherry plums images (Prunus Cerasifera).

    Image 1431.jpg forward are pear images (Pyrus Communis).

    Image 1453 are apples (Malus Domestica).

    Image 1491 from are Pilar Apple tres (Malus Ballerina).

    14xx is sweet cherry (Prunus Avium).

    2007 forward shows some Apple fruits (Malus Domestica), crop harvest i see. Quite many of them i see. On those images in those boxes you see apple varieties names, so you see what our apples look like, if you are interested.

    I try to continue this, but i stop now. Well now you have "few" images to look at.

  • larry_gene
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    dennis, what is your experience with tyrni (hippophae, sea buckthorn) in your area? There are several pictures in your linked photo gallery. Can you buy products at the grocery store or do you have to make your own from the raw fruit?

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    I got 1 reply i see. Hi Larry_gene. Our tyrni plants, in english sea buckthorn are Hippophae Rhamnoides in latin name. I do not grow sea buckthorn, but when i was in school, one people told she grow the, sorry but i did not ask place or i do not remember it.

    In regarding your question about buy products in grocery store. Do you mean fruits or plants? When i searched google grocery store, it looks like you meant berries. I think i have not seen berries in shop, or i have not looked for it. But i think i saw it in market one time, some kind of jelly in class container.

    I think sea buckthorn grows naturally in Finland coast. So perhaps you can go to the coast and pick some berries, if you want? Perhaps... But remember it is thorny shrub, it has thorns. Also remember it is not allowed you to cut branch out of plant, in order to get berries. I have read our sea buchthorns can't handle/survive this kind of action, because of our colder winter or shorter growing season, generally harder weather here.

    Hope this helped you.

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    Then we may look that growing season thing, how that is determined here in Finland (I wrote that once already, but i guess no one saw it.)

    Here in Finland we use the following method to calculate and determine growing season. We consider growing season to be started when daily average temperature reach 5 Celsius degrees (5 Celsius degrees is 41 Fahrenheit degrees, if you think it). This growing season time needs to be confirmed, we say it has to be stable. Growing season is said to be started when daily average temperature has been 5 days in a row (consecutive) at least in 5 Celsius degrees. So if average temperature drop below 1 day that prevents growing season starts, this way prevents in warmer place short time warming in winter to start growing season(That in U.S.A. mind comment). When we have 5 days in a row with average daily temperature 5 Celsius growing season starts, starting growing season day is that date still when temperature reached 5 Celsius degrees in that 5 Celsius degree average daily streak.

    Same way growing season ends when average daily temperature drop below 5 Celsius degrees and have been below 5 days in a row. Note frost/freeze do not stop growing season as determined in U.S.A (Unless freeze is hard).

    Growing season in days is then time between those two dates.

    I have mentioned Finland use different zones, than those USDA zones. Finland is divided 8 different zones from number 1 to 8. Actually zone 1 is also divided to 1 A and 1 B zones. The map what is currently in use (as of writing this in year 2009.)

    Here is Finland zone map, which also shows some place names of Finland. Take a look this map :

    http://www.muhevainen.fi/index.php?sid=125558523382848a09acb642bae26588ac41f2ed56&rand=0840321877&article_id=987

    It has number 1-8 on it, 1 is in southern Finland, zones goes higher in northern Finland. Generally lower zone number is then better place it is to grow plants. This image does not show western Finland 1 A area which is island in around ocean mostly.

    We use those numbers to indicate where plants grow, should be able to grow /survive winters. So if we indicate zones 1-3 area of zones 1 to 3 is suitable for that plant. But that is only a guideline. So if you have warm place and/or can protect the plant you can take zone 3 plant to zone 4. Also if we indicate 1-3(4) we meant zones 1-3 is o.k. for that plant, but warm/good places in zone 4 might work as well. So you can take a little bit risk, and plant plant on zone where it is not rated for, but there is then some risk something is not going good way and you might have some problems.

    If you ask what is counted for and what is taken to account making those zones, first i think it was winter temperature and winter related things. But then i read one book which gave growing season degrees and growing season days attached to those zones. So i really do not know what is taken account to zones at this moment, but lower number the better than higher in general, still in my opinion any way. Also i do not know what years have been calculated to get those zones.

    I try to continue this later.

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    I am back. In that of growing season, i forgot to say growing degree days are count same way as above, in Celsius degrees. Calculating formula is daily average temperature - 5 Celsius degrees = daily growing degrees in Celsius during growing season (See above for how to determine growing season using this method). During those growing season days growing degree days are accumulated.

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    We also determine summer, spring, autumn and winter same way using daily average temperature with that 5 days in row (consequetive) for confirming purposes.

    Summer starts when average temperature reaches 10 (50 F) Celsius degree after spring and ends when temperature fell below 10 Celsius degree after summer.

    Spring starts when average temperature reach 0 (32 F) Celsius degree after winter and ends when average temperature reach 10 Celsius degree in summer.

    Autumn starts when average temperature fall under 10 Celsius (50 F) degree after summer and ends when average temperature fall below 0 (32 F) Celsius degree in winter.

    Winter starts when average temperature fall below 0 Celsius degrees (32 F) after autumn and ends in spring when average temperature reaches 0 Celsius degrees (32 F).

    That is our 4 seasons in year.

    I grow here pear tree variety Aunen Päärynä and Pepi (Pyrus Communis), those 2 pear treee i have bought. When we came here, where we currently live, our garden has also following fruit trees and berries, we do not know varieties of those: 2 apple trees, now we have only 1 apple tree, because mine dad cutted that one out, because it did not prodouce good way fruits. We also have 1 black currant bush, 3 red currant bush, 3 gooseberries and raspberries, do nnot ask how many raspberries we have. We had also rhubarb, but we no longer have that.

    Next we may look at weather in Finland, where i live as Jellyman suggested it. Let's take a look 2008 year weather from 1.1.2008.-31.12.2008 and also try to determine those seasons same time (If you wonder mine date how i wrote it, i wrote them as they are wrote in Finland, first day, then month, then year).

    On 1.1.2008. new year day temperature ranged high of 0 C to low of - 1 C (Zone 9) . January is winter month here. In year 2008 we had warm winter, and temperature did not fall below -17 Celsius degree, as i have told earlier. On humidity high was 100 % on that date, in other words maximum what is possible, average humidity was 93% and low 80 % humidity. Those numbers are quite high. Finland is humid country. This high humidity keeps and helps to keep temperature quite high considerering our northern location (Thanks to gulf stream). For comparision Charlotte, North Carolina, U.S.A. had same day high of 92%, average of 58% and low of 24% humidity.

    Then during next few days temperature fell somewhat and reached bottom on 5.1.2008. Tempature high was -7 C, average -8 C and low -9 C (zone 8). Same time air came drier also with high of 73%, average 65% and low 53 %.

    After that temperature started to rise and reached 11.1.2008. above freezing level. Yes in middle of winter. It is normal here southern Finland to have above freezing level temperatures. If you think does our plants come out of dormancy, no they don't. It is too dark in winter, day length is too small/little and no enough light(sun) in this time to year to do photosynthesis. High was 3 C (37 F), average 2 C and low 0 C (zone 10). Humidity got very high levels, high 100%, average 98%, low 81%.

    Every day during 11.1.2008-20.1.2008 reached above 0 Celsius degrees freezing temperature. Lows was 0 C or - 1 C 11.1.2008-19.1.2008. So tempeature was quite stable and not much difference in day and hight.

    During 12.1.2008.-14.2.2008 daily high temperature was quite stable ranged from high + 3 C to low - 2 C. On 28.1.2008. we had cold snap of - 13 C (zone 7) as low temperature, altought high was 0 C.

    On 16.2.2008 we got our coldest 2008 temperature low of -17 (zone 7) Celsius , high was - 3 C and average temperature of - 10 C ( 14 F). And again dried air too.

    Then on 22.2.2008. daily high temperature reached again above freezing temperature for many days in row (22.2.2008-3.2.2008 all days had at least 0 C temperature as high temperature.)

    Then 3 cold days on 3.3.2008-5.3.2008 when temperature dropped as low as - 12 C (10 F , zone 8) on 5.3.2008. And yes humidity dropped little bit again (to low of 59%). It looks like low humidity air is colder air here, so high humidity keeps us warmer than dry air.

    On 6.3.2008 highs reached once again above freezing temperature (all days from 6.3.2008 to 18.3.2008 had at least high of 0 C temperature). Warmest day was 10.3.2008 when temperature high was 5 C (41 F), average 3 C and low 2 C (Yes no below freezing tempeature on that day, that can too happen on winter here occasionally). That was warmest day so far 2008 year.

    After winter last cold blast came before spring. Temperature dropped again to year lowest temperature on 22.3.2008 with high of - 4 C and average - 11 C temperature.

    After that sun started to be enough high and day length enough long that we started to heading toward spring and warmer temperatures. First daily high temperatures started to rise higher.

    On 28.3.2008. high temperature broked 0 Celsius level and did not fall below that until next autumn. On same day average temperature reached 0 Celsius degrees. During next 6 days we had following average temperature :

    28.3.2008. 0 C
    29.3.2008. 1 C
    30.3.2008. 2 C
    31.3.2008. 5 C
    1.4.2008. 4 C
    2.4.2008. 5 C

    Average temperature has reached 0 Celsius degrees in 5 days in a row. It means that our winter ended here and spring started on 28.3.2008 (or 29.3.2008 if you use global summary of the data).

    On last day on march 31.3.2008. highs reaches 10 Celsius (50 F) degrees first time in year 2008.

    How our spring processed for that date? Here is what happened.

    We still had below freezing 0 Celsius temperatures as daily low on many days in april, but not all days. Low was 3.4.2008. - 3 C (25 F) , and even as low as - 5 C (23 F) on 20.4.2008. On 16.4.2008 and 17.4.2008. 10 C was again reached as high temperature. Humidity is lower somewhat now, high was for example on 24.4.2008 high 100%, average 62%, 31% during warm spell.

    Starting as 22.4.2008. we got first sign that summer is coming as we got warm spell for many days and high temperature rose to well over 10 Celsius degrees (50 F). Temperature rose to as high as 21 (69 F) Celsius degrees on 2.5.2008 and 3.5.2008. Actually on 3.5.2008 accoring global summary of the day temperature rose even higher as high was recorded at 22,8 C (73,2 F).

    Starting on 25.4.2008 we had following average temperatures :

    25.4.2008. 5 C
    26.4.2008. 7 C
    27.4.2008. 7 C
    28.4.2008. 11 C
    29.4.2008. 12 C
    30.4.2008. 12 C

    We have now 5 days with average temperature of 5 Celsius degrees. That means 2008 growing season has started! Growing season started on 25.4.2008. Actually global summary of the day has growing season start day even 2 days earlier as of 23.4.2008.

    During that warm period low temperature also rose above freezing temperature, 27.4.2008. low was 1 C, low temperature rose to high of 10 C on 3.5.2008. 3.5.2008 high was 21 C, average 15 C, and low of 10 Celsius degrees temperature.

    On 6.5.2008 we got freeze as low temperature dropped to - 1 C during growing season, while high temperature was 11 C and average temperature 5 C. Average humidity was 61 % on that day. We got still got some late freezes after that, which caused problems, because growing season was already started. We got 5 freezes more on as follows : 13.5.2008 - 3 C (26 F) Ouch!, 16.5.2008 - 3 C, 17.5.2008 - 1 C , 20.5.2008 - 2 C and as late as 28.5.2008, - 1 C. Yes late may freeze. I think we voided those on 2009 year.

    On 22.5.2008 temperature warmed and average temperature reached 10 C (50 F) and stayed there for 5 days in row, effieciently ending spring and started summer (using global summary of the day data). Spring is our shortest time as longer day length quickly rises temperatures. So our spring lasted from 29.3.2008. to 22.5.2008. So our spring did not last even 2 months after turning to summer. Less than 2 months to get 10 Celsius (18 F) gain to average temperature. This gives us image how fast our sun starts here to draw us from winter to summer.

    Starting with 20.5.2008 daily high temperature reached every day at least 10 C (50 F) until 2.9.2008. That is 105 days in row.

    Last freeze in spring was 29.5.2008. and first autumn freeze was on 30.9.2008. about 4 months later. So frost free growing season was total 124 days.

    During summer highest temperature was reached on 26.7.2008 27,1 C (80,8 F). On that date average temperature 20,7 C (69,3 F) and low was 12,7 C (54,9 F). On that date humidity was high 94%, average 63 % and low of 34 %. Dew point was high 15 C, average 13 C, low 10 C. Charlotte, North Carolina, U.S.A. had dew point of 22 C, 18, C 18 C respectively so those numbers are quite high i think. Air is still humid here.

    Finland has no dessert, it rains about evenly all year here.

    During summer lows is mainly around 10 C (50 F) some days warmer nights some day lower. But generally no freeze as you can see above. Lows can as high as 15 C and as low as 0 C near freezing level. Altought that happens rarely here.

    Summer ended here on 9.9.2008. as average temperature dropped below 10 Celsius and started autumn, but growing season still continued. So our summer lasted from 22.5.2008-9.9.2008 total 111 days. Over 3 months was our summer year 2008.

    In autumn our range from daily high and daily low generally starts go smaller. Differences from daily high to daily low as humidity starts increase.

    For example on 16.9.2008. daily high temperature was 6 C, average temperature 5 C and low temperature 5 C. So temperature ranged by 1 C during that day. But growing season still continued.

    20.9.2008-30.9.2008 temperatures reached every day 10 C (50 F). Most of those was freeze free day as well, expect 30.9.2008.

    Our growing season started on 23.4.2008 and it ended on 27.10.2008 as average temperature dropped below 5 Celsius degrees. Our growing season lasted over 6 months during 2008 growing season. Growing season was 188 days long.

    Starting on day 22.10.2008 temperature no longer was able to reach 10 Celsius degrees. Few Celsius degree freezes occured somedays until more harder freeze occured on 20.11.2008 - 7 C.

    Humidity reached november 2008 many days maximum 2008 100% for example on 9.11.2008 maximum humidity was 100%, average 98 % and low 93%. Air is very humid, we also have fog this time this year. On that date temperature was high 7 C, average 5 C and low 2 C, no freezes. In this time year it can many days in row like this. Humid, warm, foggy, dark, and generally little differences day high and day low temperature. This differs us from Alaska weather. Autumn continue quite long to the end of the year here.

    Daily high temperature dropped below 0 Celsius degrees in autumn first time 20.11.2008.

    Our winter started on 19.11.2008. as average temperature dropped below 0 Celsius degrees and stayed there 5 days in a row. So autumn lasted from 9.9.2008-19.11.2008. Our autumn was little bit over 2 months long. This qives quite good and long time to our plants prepare to winter and harden. Remember this is end of november 2008 when winter started, only little bit 1 month to darkest day in northern hemishpere.

    So as you can see our winters do not last very long before spring comes.

    Even on december temperature can reach and go above freezing temperature. For example every day 25.11.2008-5.12.2008. reached at least 0 C, actually 28.11.2008. reached as high as 5 C (41 F).

    But during this time of year it is very dark and short day length. So our darkness and lack of day light efficiently push our plants dormancy even thought temperature are not very cold and could be above freezing temperature 0 C.

    So i do not really any more worry to see mine pear tree to have leafs on branches on november. I saw one november mine pear tree to have leafs of branches, and think what are you doing? It got little bit snow to ground as well that time. If you think what happened? Nothing, snow melted away next day (Temperature rose above 0 Celsius degrees) and my pear dropped all her leaves on next day and 1 day. No damage, if you ask it.

    On 8.12.2008-14.12.2008 was again period of above freezing temperature with low - 5 C on 8.12.2008 with humidity averaging over 90 %. Still humid air, yes.

    On 28.12.2008 low was - 10 C which milded to - 3 C low on year last day on 31.12.2008. with high temperature 0 C (32 F).

    That was 2008 year weather here.

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    Now we can perhaps concentrate to fruit trees, as i have now told little bit background.

    Mine pear (Pyrus Communis) variety is Aunen Päärynä as i have told. It is finnish variety which is bornt from seed (as far as i know.) Aune is woman name in Finland, if you wonder what it means. Päärynä is pear as i told earlier. So i can't translate this variety name more than i just did. Pear trees bloom here where i am about 1 week before apple trees (In my opinion). Apple trees bloom here late may or if weather has been cold early june. So probably my pear tree blooms around mid may. I have not writen any dates in paper or computer so i can't tell you the exact day.

    My pear variety Aunen päärynä ripens in september here, i would say mid september. About 4 months after blooming, yes.

    But those are just approximations, as weather varies year to year.

    Aunen päärynä is listed as 1-2 or 3 zones. Look above link to see finnish zone map.

    Now you perhaps want to see one catalog of fruit trees as you know now finnish names. Here is fruit tree catalog (Those are in PDF format, so you need Adobe Acrobat to read them, you can download it in internet, if you do not have it) :

    http://www.kauppila.fi/images/pdf/10.pdf

    First is in bold latin name of plant, then is catalog number (Do not let it to confuse you.), after that is variety name followed by finnish name of plant. After that is zone, short describtion, and price.

    Here is berries link :

    http://www.kauppila.fi/images/pdf/20.pdf

    Then you perhaps want to look at my pear variety (Pyrus Communis) Aunen Päärynä fruit, what it looks like. It is not mine tree, but same variety.

    Go to www.omenapuu.com, then click from left frame lajikekuvaukset omenat, päärynät luumut, kirsikat (In eglish variety describtion, apples, pears, plums, cherries). It doesn't matter what of them you click, just click some of those. After that scroll down on right side and click päärynät. Then click Aunen Päärynä on the list, then you see Aunen päärynä variety of pear (Pyrus Communis) fruit.

    Päärynät = pears

    You might probably guess/think after you clicked on left frame of lajikekuvaukset , there is also apples, plums and cherries images, then click them and process similarily. I wrote english equivalent of those above, so look there.

    berry plants = marjakasvit

    That for additional information.

  • gliese
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    I'd love to try cloudberry. I read that they're a delicacy where they grown. How hard are they to cultivate? In your other post you said your climate was like the USDA's zone 7, I thought that they needed exceptionally chilly climates to live. Do you think they could be grown in the US?
    Thanks.

  • dennis1983
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi

    Hi Gliese. Looks like somone looked through all my message. So perhaps it was not completely of waste time

    You had few questions i see. I have not grown my self Cloudberry, but i did quickly google search for it to get some information. At this fast, i can't say how hard they are to grow, but i know something. Cloudberry is growing all all Finland, but most berries it produce in northern Finland. Main crop we will get northern Finland in bog soil which is not ditching/sewerage.

    Also it looks like it need acidic soil ph lower than 4,5 (Ph 3,5-5). It said it grown in bog. Cloudberry need moist soil.

    Have you looked in internet information about Cloudberry? Here is link to Dave's garden take look at it, also check out those images on the right side of the page : http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/62477/

    That site says USDA zones 3a-9B. Also look in wikipedia article about Cloudberry, it gives good information about where it grows.

    Wikipedia article says it grows in U.S.A. in New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine, small portion of Long Island, New York and Alaska.

    So your zone 6 matches it zones. But how you match Cloudberry requirement of "requirest consistent moist soil, do not let dry out between waterings" what reads in Daves garden site which i gave you link, how about that acidic soil requirement Cliese? Any idea about those in your place? How you arrange or adjust or so Cloudberry likes it? Have you ever think of it? Sorry not mention negative. Are you in drought place, do you get drought during growing season? Can you give water it if you get drought during growing season? Just few things/questions which come in mind when you think of trying Cloudberry. You can try to post those local boards also, if they know anything about growing Cloudberry.

    Gliese i did not said i am in USDA zone 7 as you used word "climate". I was in zone 7 based on year 2008. This year (2009) has colder minimum temperature. For you i say northern Finland is colder than where i live, in southern Finland , or more accurately southwestern Finland.

    On your last question, i already answered. English wikipedia says it grows in U.S.A.

    If you meant can Cloudberry grow in your place, i do not know, nothing is 100% sure, unless you try. So i do not discourage you to try, if you want to try Cloudberry. I suggest you go to that internet site above and look also in Wikipedia, and think little bit it and things related to Cloudberry.

  • Katie Meyers
    6 years ago

    Dennis I would like to buy green currant bush. Live in the USA and they don't ship to me from finland. Can I buy from you?

  • Caroline
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    came here wanting to know what fruits trees did well in Finland, and ended up reading a charming essay. Unfortunately, the tantalizing "Cherry Plum (Prunus Cerasifera) variety Kometa" was no longer available at the link provided. The web site was still there, and this might even be the same picture:

    This is the link to the page (for now, anyway):

    http://www.kauppila.fi/product_info.php?cPath=1_9_54&products_id=242

    and this links directly to the full size image:

    Klikkaa suuremmaksi

  • Berry Allen z3-4 eu
    5 years ago

    Katie, any luck in acquiring the green currant? Maybe I can help.