Hmm... Our landlord said it was Bishop's Weed, but the green version of it (not the more common white edged variegated one). This indeed grows in the sun- in fact, that's where it is thickest, and seems to peter out in the shady spots. Ack! It looks like bishop's weed, and has horrendous roots that seem to go down very, very deep, and they are very vine-like underground. Guess I have to go research some more... But planting veggies soon after Round-Up application is okay?

Henry, I read that study and the findings and it suggests that the manner of application if done improperly leads to problems due to the fact that the product penetrates the skin. Let us say for the sake of argument you do everything "correctly" and apply without skin penetration, what about the residues and product that do not break down or wash off the the veggie or the corn or soy? I understand from what I read that round up resistant GMO's were developed to allow farmers to use even more of the glyophosate so it follows that if it persists in the soil and environment and on the vegatative material in greater amounts. Okay, so now in the GMO situation they use even more of it...the studies I have read that come from different sources seems to suggest that glyophosate does not break down in soil as believed and if it is turning up in breast milk doesn't that mean we are digesting it? and that it is persistant in the environment? I am not singling out any of the particular ingredients but it may just be what is in the formulation. (I have a link from an Autism site regarding the persistance of pesticides and herbicides in humans, breast milk and umbilical cords etc... one of these studies listed my neighbor's mother in Seattle was involved with in San Francisco due to the prevalence of breast cancer in the area. - her mom died and they linked the levels of breast cancer to mercury from fish, and pesticides.) Wouldn't this support what the French research suggests? It is not just the application but the actual ingestion via skin penetration or the food? My friend whose child has autism says that there are so many controversies regarding this issue it is hard to single out one single cause except that it appears to be an environmental related issue and possibly a gene connection where some individuals are more sensitive to pesticides and how they penetrate cells. Unfortunately it is too late for her child. For the most part I have not seen most people use gloves to use pesticides, in the cases in Argentina it was "arial spraying, and "combinations" of deadly pesticides with the glyphosate where the birth defects and cancer were turning up. I poisoned myself in my 20's when I did not use gloves, and did not understand the significance of the label and the warnings. Most people are not educated about these labels, in fact I was told that "round up was perfectly safe" by the garden center that sold it to me. It is all so disturbing. I am going to interview the organic farmer I met and ask him about his process. He was very clear that he went organic because "it was the right thing to do, and teased his friend, the other farmer about not being a moral person...in jest...Farmers, especially small family farms live in a different world than the home, or urban gardener. If we the consumers are misled it is easy to see how farmers would be misled as well.

i cant find anything on restrictions of glyphosate in canada ... are you sure about that??? if you are having trouble finding it retail.. try a farm supply store ... i found generic roundup ... glyphosate .. at tractor supply here in the states ... and at the county seed and mill store ... find a store that sells to farmers .... and ask them what the farmers use .. there might even be a better product .... the standard already mixed roundup.. might be .. from memory .. a 1% solution ... but if the instructions on the 41% stuff.. recommend a 3% solution.. well then that would partially explain why you are having trouble killing the weed ... the other half of that equation is that it is quackgrass .. lol .. find a store that sells to farmers.. and you might be given some more options ... ken

OK. So don't waste roundup on trumpet vine. Just dig it out/cut it as the season progresses. If we spray (say the fence line and the front yard sidewalk, etc, which we didn't do last year and regretted)put tomatoes inside for the spray time (and maybe that night too, if I want to be compulsive about it) and then proceed as normal. I won't be spraying near the garden area at all... Thanks for the help. For my information, what do I DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to this horrible stuff in the fall to KILLLLLLLLLLLLLL it???? Nuclear warhead??? Is it like the magma flow under yellowstone national park? :)