The problem with this thinking... which to me used to be fine, till I noticed, that all is fine and dandy till something goes wrong....then people scream... For example, you may want to take any drug you want, then your cousin dies of an ephedra problem.... then all of a sudden your thinking is changed. Personally, I generally agree. I think that the stupids who mess with something they don't understand.... just weeds out their genes from the gene pool. But apparently, others don't see it this way. I see this in almost all aspects of American life... ANOTHER example... You all want a freemarket system... till you pay $3 a gallon for gas... then you scream. People seem to want what they want with no concern for the consequences... I just do it... and unlike Cacye, I LISTEN when someone says there is a danger... some don't... that's why they try to beat trains in train crossings.... ANOTHER way to weed certain genes from the gene pool.

If my post came across as patronizing to the original poster or to any lurkers, I apologize. I don't know you so I can't judge whether you are a careless weekend gardener or a professional. My comment about following label instructions was intended for the larger audience of GW in general and the OP only if you didn't know. Your comment that you were going to spray again "using a heavier concentration that that which is instructed on the bottle" was what caused me concern. Nothing is entirely safe and when someone advocates the use of a chemical in increased concentrations they may be endangering more than just themselves. The increased dose of glyphosate may not cause any harm to the user or the environment or anybody else. But others with less knowledge or experience may feel that if someone used an increased concentration of this product to clear up a particularly difficult problem, then it's ok to increase the concentration of one of the more dangerous pesticides to combat some problem they are having and the results may be disastrous to the user, the environment, AND to the innocent neighbors! This is not a case of just the user "getting what he deserves." I've seen the damage done by herbicides when the directions or precautions on the label were not followed. It's not a pretty sight when the neighborÂs yard loses grass and shrubs and flower beds, and itÂs potentially a very expensive mistake by the user. My post was intended to bring attention to the fact that the label information is important and should be followed. If the product doesn't work as expected, maybe the user's expectations are too high or they are not using the proper chemical or technique and should research the problem more thoroughly. And to answer the original question, no, I haven't seen anything to indicate that poison ivy has become immune to RU - yet! But anything's possible! Glyphosate resistant plants are being discovered fairly regularly. An article published by Perdue says, "It is important to understand that these resistant biotypes are out there and that resistance can develop with continuous use of herbicides with the same mode of action (how a herbicide controls a weed)." (http://www.ppdl.purdue.edu/ppdl/weeklypics/7-14-03.html) So if your PI or any other plant has developed resistance or is a naturally resistant strain, IÂm sure the agricultural community and pesticide manufacturers will be interested in hearing about it.

Um... okay.

I don't usually show up on the conversations side but for some reason, did tonight. Try and tell my dog that homeopathic is placebo or quackery. Its worked on his bladder stones. My experience with classic homeopathy started when I needed an alternative for my thyroid as all conventional medicine that I tried failed. I was unable to tolerate any form of thyroid gland. I tried Synthroid, Armour, Naturethroid. I read extensively about it and found a doctor who used synthroid in drops so that I could use just one watered down drop. I could not tolerate one drop. The tiniest amount of synthroid OR descicated thyroid made me feel thyrotoxic and drove my thyroid stimulating hormone down to hypo levels within only a couple of days on the meds. My finger nails were peeling off and a I had a host of other symptoms. My TSH without being on the hormone at one point, got up to 40. (VERY high). I was miserable. I had tried at that point with Western medicine for many years. I contacted a classic homeopathist. At that time my dog was having blood in his urine upon emptying his bladder when he would mark. Dr. Alan was willing to advise me on my dog. He suggested a particular remedy. My dog had the remedy, and the blood ceased that day. He was symptom free for the next three months. He did need the remedy again, and had more results upon taking it.( It later came back here and there and right now is much better when he takes glucosomine, because that helps with the mucus on the lining of the bladder.) Next I took my assigned remedy. With no other treatment, my TSH went from 40 down to about 5.9, then down to 3.9, then 2.9. It remained there for over a year, and when it went up a bit again, I went back to the doc and we tried another remedy or two. It was better, but not optimum, and so the doc and I agreed that would try Chinese medicine. I switched to an Asian doctor and am taking Chinese tea and getting results there. And as with valinsv, the least amount of money I spent on docs was for the homeopathic one. I have also had full blown flu instantly leave once upon taking a homeopathic remedy. A lot of people find that hard to believe because it is true that the original substance is not in that vial or sugar pill. It is the essence of it or the energy, or vibration that is there. I would totally use Western medicine for certain things that it is good for, but I am not married to it at all. Pharma has a lot at stake and pays big money to disprove vitamin studies and show that vite e is "bad for you", etc. They have PR men that figure out how to promote diseases so that you will except the "cure" that they are selling. My brother is a pathologist and does not believe in homeopathic, chiropractic, or most natural cures. He would not even try one chiropractic adjustment for his trigeminal neuralgia which had become excruciating. So he elected to have a risky surgery that went behind his brain. Thank God it was successful. But my chiropractor who practices Upper Cervical adjustments using a technique called Advanced Orthogonal, cured a patient of the excruciating pain associated with the ailment. The pain disappeared six weeks after the patient received his adjustment. My brother felt if would not work on him because he does not believe in that. However, when my mom fell on her face (86 years old) I took her to this chiro, and she is doing better than ever, and we put the walker away. Here is a link that might be useful: How to brand a disease and sell a cure