Damson VS Italian plum VS other plums
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Comments (41)Eric, How did you obtain your Great Yellow? I'm not finding any information for sources on the web. I'd like to add that to my small collection (Stanley, NY9,Imperial Epineuse, Empress, and Pearl) I really appreciate the table you posted. One thing that could make it better would be to list relative ripening timing. While my E plum experience is shallow, I'm not sure I concur with the low marks for Stanley by Eric and Hman. Perhaps it simply favors the hot dry summer climate in UT, but the fruit has been outstanding for me....See MoreOpinions on Shropshire Damson plum
Comments (12)I would expect that Damson would create a more acidic version than Italian type plums but the Damson should be easy to grow although your rootstock may not be vigorous enough for your conditions. Citation is the only dwarfing rootstock I've used for plums and I wouldn't want to go any smaller than that except under very pampered conditions. If you leave the Damson plums on the tree long enough they do become sweet enough for eating out of hand but not anything like a ripe prune plum. Still, they are excellent for preserves and tarts and here bear more reliably than most E. plums with extremely heavy set....See Morethe best Mirabelle plums?
Comments (16)I haven't mirabelles, but I read a lot about them in french sites. My conclusion is that nurseries and grocery stores sell more easily the Nancy variety because it is bigger than Metz, but it is said that Metz tastes better and is more productive. For example, look at this French nursery site: Huchet nursery They sell both varieties, but they say about Metz "it is melting flesh, sweet, very flavorful. It is more rustic, more resistant and more productive than Nancy variety"...See Moreplums, plums, plums
Comments (13)Ken's right. Some European cookie presses (don't know about Mirro) include a fat long tube attachment for inserting cream and jellied fillings. OK, I promised some plum recipes. I used Italian Prune-Plums for these recipes. We have gobs of them available locally and they're meaty and sweet. I would guess these recipes would be more tart with some other varieties. I have loads of old recipes using plums, so if these don't fit the bill, let me know. The first is the only one I haven't made, so I can't personally vouch for it, but the combination sounds intriguing. Plum and Peach Conserve (from the Farm Journal Canning and Freezing Cookbook) 3 cups ground sweet plums (Italian prunes) 3 cups mashed peaches 6 cups sugar 2 medium oranges Combine plums, peaches and sugar in large saucepan. Add grated peel from 1 orange, juice from 2 oranges. Cook, stirring frequently, about 25 minutes or to desired consistency. Ladle into sterilized hot jars to within 1/8" of top. Wipe rims; adjust lids. Process BWB 5 minutes. Makes 4 pints. Plum Conserve (an old Kerr recipe) My oldest Kerr book provides the first version; a newer Kerr book the second minor variation: Plum Conserve (very, very rich) 4 pounds plums (8 cups cut up) 2 lemons (juice and grated rind) 6 cups sugar 1 pound seedless raisins 6 cups sugar 1 cup walnuts Wash plums, remove seeds, weigh fruit. Combine all ingredients except nut meats. Cook until thick. Blanch nut meats 2 minutes, drain, cut or chop. Add to mixture just before removing from heat. Pour into sterilized KERR jars and seal while hot. (BWB 10 minutes.) Plum Conserve #2 4 pounds plums (8 cups cut up) 4 tablespoons lemon juice 1 1/2 teaspoons grated lemon rind 1 cup seedless raisins 6 cups sugar 1 cup walnuts Same directions. Plum Conserve #3 (from So Easy to Preserve) 2 1/2 quarts chopped, pitted plums 3/4 cup thinly sliced orange peel 2 cups seedless raisins 1 1/2 cups chopped orange pulp (about 2 large) 6 cups sugar 2 cups broken pecan or other nuts Sterilize canning jars. Combine plums, orange pulp and peel, raisins and sugar; slowly bring to boiling, stirring occasionally until sugar dissolves. Cook rapidly almost to jellying point, about 15 to 20 minutes. As mixture thickens, stir frequently to prevent sticking. Add nuts the last 5 minutes of cooking. Pour hot conserve into hot jars, leaving 1/4-inch headspace. Wipe rims; adjust lids. Process 5 minutes BWB. This prune cake was posted by Lisbet at the Recipe Exchange; AnnT made the recipe but toasted the walnuts. Prune Sour Cream Cake Serving Size : 12 1 1/2 cups Sunsweet Prunes (use already pitted, soft prunes) 1 tablespoon grated lemon rind 2 cups sifted flour 1 teaspoon baking powder 1 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 teaspoon salt 1 cup soft butter 1 cup granulated sugar -- * I use 3/4 cup 2 large eggs 1 cup sour cream 1 teaspoon vanilla extract 1/2 cup firmly packed light brown sugar 1 teaspoon cinnamon 1/2 cup chopped English walnuts Pour boiling water over prunes. Let stand 15 minutes. Drain, pit, and dice prunes. Add lemon and set aside. Grease and flour 9" tube pan. Sift together flour, baking powder, baking soda, salt; remove 1/4 cup and toss with prunes. Cream butter and sugar until fluffy. Beat in eggs, one at a time. Slowly beat in flour mixture, alternnately with sour cream and vanilla, beginning and ending with flour. Fold in prunes. Combine brown sugar, cinnamon and nuts. Turn 1/3 batter into pan. Sprinkle with 1/3 brown sugar mixture, repeat layering twice. Bake at 350 F. 55 minutes or until done. Cool in pan on rack for 10 minutes. Remove from pan. Description: "Coffee Cake Type. Tried and True! Very, very good!!" Source: "from the back of Sunsweet Prune box" I've had this recipe about forever. Don't remember the source. My notes say it's a "simple homely dessert or snack - almost a coffee cake." 1 1/2 cups chopped purple plums 1 cup sugar 1/2 cup brown sugar 3/4 cup vegetable oil 1 egg, beaten 1 tsp. grated orange peel 2 cups flour 1/4 tsp. salt 1 tsp. baking soda 1 cup buttermilk Nut Topping: 1/4 cup sugar 1/4 cup chopped nuts 1 tsp. cinnamon Pit and chop plums to measure 1 1/2 cups. Set aside. Blend sugars, egg and orange peel. Sift dry ingredients. Add to sugar mixture alternately with buttermilk, stirring well after each addition. Stir in plums. Pour into greased 9x13 pan. Sprinkle with topping. Bake 350 35 minutes. Serve warm with whipped cream. Now that I've remembered this one, I'm making it tonight. And finally, this recipe, including my notes from the first time I baked it. Purple Plum Pie Recipe By : Farm Journal's Best-Ever Pies Categories : Desserts  Pies and Pastries Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 4 cups sliced, pitted purple plums (1 1/2 pounds) 1/2 cup sugar 2 tablespoons cornstarch 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon 1/4 teaspoon salt 1 unbaked pie shell (9-inch) 1 tablespoon lemon juice Spicy Topping 1/2 cup flour 1/2 cup sugar 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon 1/4 teaspoon nutmeg 1/4 cup butter or margarine Combine plums, sugar, cornstarch, cinnamon and salt in bowl; mix well. Arrange plum mixture in unbaked pie shell. Sprinkle with lemon juice. Prepare Spicy Topping and sprinkle over plum mixture. Place pie in brown paper bag. Fold over open end twice to close and fasten with paper clips. Carefully place on baking sheet. Bake in 425° oven 45 minutes or until plums are tender. Cool on rack. Makes 6 to 8 servings. NOTES : I didn't bake this in a paper bag. (Images of my oven on fire!) I baked at 400 15 minutes and then 350 approximately 45 minutes (hour total). This is an incredible recipe, perfect proportion of spices. The only complaint is 2 tablespoons of cornstarch was insufficient for the juicy plums. I would use more thickening, probably a mixture of flour and tapioca. This pie is very "drippy." Next time I'll use a baking sheet. Carol...See Moretedgrowsit
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