Grass under orchard - suggestions for replacement
fescuedream
16 years ago
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Comments (18)I have successfully "controlled" (not necessarily eliminated) a mulch bed that was overgrown with Bermuda grass. I'm in zone 7, with lots of clay. My first attempt was using commercial fabric, but as the other posts explain, that causes an extreme head- (and back-) ache in subsequent years, when all of the fabric needs to be removed because the grass has totally penetrated it everywhere. What actually worked, was changing the clay soil into loamy soil by adding significant amounts of Perlite and Peat Moss, and then covering with mulch. Now, when the Bermuda Grass dares to infiltrate the mulch bed, I simply lift it out with a Garden Fork. It's that easy. Occasionally, a runner will lie deeper than the loosened soil and reemerge-- but it's easy to loosen the soil in that location (by adding more Perlite and Peat Moss) a bit deeper until most or all of the runner is removed. The only hard part was in the vicinity of bushes that had been infiltrated with runners. in some cases, it was actually easier to remove the bushes (if small enough), clean out the runners, and then replant. In other cases, it was a matter of tug-of-war with the runners. While not all were removed, they can be controlled by occasional weeding; and if any spread to the open areas, it is easy to remove with the Fork. Over time, the mulch degrades and further improves the soil....See Moreplanting a meadow under apple orchard?
Comments (8)Our home has two mature apple trees that produced a giant crop last year. I didn't have the time or means to deal with it. So I piled all the bushels of windfalls around the trees (a good 1 foot deep) and piled leaves on top to hide it from the city inspectors. This summer it looks like a beautiful compost circle around each tree. Now the trees hardly had fruit this year which might be due to the frozen apple glacier on their roots! Outside of that circle we have a lot of violets. Violets are consider a problem for lawns but I like them. They don't grow real tall. They don't mind being mowed. The flowers are pretty. That orchard Floor Management site had some good photos. The rye grass planting looked pretty impressive for keeping out weeds. Wonder if you could plant rye the first year like that site shows to eliminate weeds, and then introduce some more attractive prairie plants mixed with rye in later years. Just an idea...See MoreNo matter what I plant, grass dying under lemon tree.
Comments (8)I can't find lemon trees specifically listed as major players as far as allelopathy is concerned, so at least temporarily I'm going to table that. Almost all trees feature some level of effect, however. (If you'd been continental and told me that was a black walnut, for instance, we would have solved the problem in one go). Trees are famous for sucking up water, so check the soil underneath it to see if it's dry as compared to the rest of the lawn. Realizing that Hawai'i has some water issues at the moment, you may not be able to or wish to water. That's OK, we're just trying to nail down the issue. Combine water stress with lower light under a tree and that may be the solution. In that case, mulching under the tree might be the best idea, or use an approved ground cover that tolerates lower light and lower water levels. Traffic there doesn't concern me too much, one or two children at full tilt should be entirely tolerable. They're fine even on KBG, which isn't exactly what I'd describe as happy with traffic. Grasses don't generally spread if not fed, so I'd follow the recommended feeding schedule for your locale. If you can't find it, I'll do the research--but don't know or have a feel for it in that area since you're technically sub-tropical. Which means I won't technically know if the recommendations are the best for that grass (you'd be shocked how many articles and schedules recommend terrible feeding times up here). However, I should think that feeding is better than not in that climate, and seasonal temperature variance isn't that much. So I'd say a gentle feeding would be a good idea. You could get a soil test through Logan Labs (in Ohio), which would nail down any soil problems you have. But I'd investigate other avenues first as the rest of your lawn looks pretty good--and you did have grass under there previously....See MoreIs it too soon to talk about replacing lawn grass after the freeze?
Comments (11)Oh, man! I read that as Denton, Colorado and started feeling like I was in the Twilight Zone. St Aug should not do will in Colorado. I think roselee should be fine. The DFW area gets super cold temps almost every year, and they manage to cultivate St Aug through it all. The second snow melted today and I still have some green spots in the Floratam. I also installed some Raleigh St Aug late last year. I have not ventured back to where that stuff is. Maybe tomorrow. But it looked amazing compared to the Floratam elsewhere. Raleigh is more cold tolerant. In Bandera we had many hours at mid single digit temps, and I have some confidence that both types will come back. If you do lose some grass, we got the Raleigh at Millburger's Nursery at the corner of 1604 and Bulverde Rd (inside the loop). They sell 7 pallets of Raleigh per day to walk ins and another 7 pallets to the professionals. What that means to you, as a consumer, is that they have the freshest turf you can get. Just be sure, if you need new grass, that the location is ready NOW to put it down. Do all the prep work before you buy the grass, and put it down as soon as you get home. If you want to replace the grass with Floratam, you have to special order it. I think the price is the same, but they don't keep it in stock. Everyone's "elderly" is their own. I can't tell you how to feel, because I see people younger than I am using a cane or walker and who seem to be very elderly. But as for me, about a year ago I realized that I was starting to feel elderly with back issues and upper body weakness. I was one of those people who could not get myself up again using just my legs. I started doing some twisting exercises, deep squats, and slant push ups. The twisting fixed my back the first day - apparently I needed a chiropractic adjustment to unpinch a nerve, which I did DIY. The squats have allowed me to get up again if I fall. I do 30 squats while I brush my teeth every morning. The push ups toned up the upper body, some core, and just made it easy to hustle bags of fertilizer and flats of sod around. I do 30 of those after the squats. We also walk the dog every day at a local park. That's a full half mile!!! (Boerne has a 0.5 K "race" every year, so this is almost two of those!! The race is from one bar to another bar, ;-) ) Anyway, I'm so glad I started this minimal exercise program. I no longer worry about being elderly (70 now). I probably should worry a little, but I don't. Other than that I'm sedentary here at the computer. I do try to stand up and move every hour or less. That seems to help, ever so little, but some. Your back yard is beautiful, by the way. In general terms, what part of SA are you in? As soon as we can we're moving back to the Northwood area inside 410 west of Harry Wurzbach....See Morefescuedream
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