What might be the moral to the story? This might be it: wait a little while if you are shocked when you read about a problem that sounds shocking to you. It probably also sounds shocking to everyone, but wait. Don't be trigger happy. Don't indulge yourself by typing out your feelings. Wait. Someone will post some kind of fact-based response within a few hours. Isn't there a Supreme Court Justice who subscribes to this theory of conservation of personal (his) initiative? He doesn't believe in "indulging himself" by vocalizing any thought processes, either. Of course, I don't recall his reserve having garnered him many plaudits for holding his curiousity or opinion in check. My initial position was paraphrased by marcolo several times. Several people have made a big ado about it. Marcolo pointed out why it is good to ask for information first. Wow. What a new idea. Ask around. Get new input. (MARCOLO! Paging Dr. Marcolo! Need Davidro-to-english translation help here, please.) Assuming I understood the point of the post, isn't that what a post on the Kitchen Forum is about? Airing personal experience, making correlations, getting opinions on similarity or dissimilarity of experience? I don't believe that posting is an automatic ticket to litigation-city. That said, while I don't disagree with David that the massive haemorrhaging of personal outrage on the KF can be a trifle wearying, the instances cited here that have apparently motivated this thread are ridiculous. For one thing: "exploding glass doors" vs "exploding glass doors that way". Yes, tempered glass explodes "that way" but to think that anyone should be expected to be blase and off-hand about the fact that their oven door blasted itself open in the course of its "normal operation" (I'll hold my opinion on self-clean in check here) is asking for the moon. It doesn't matter than tempered glass breaks a certain way - it does matter that it spontaneously imploded without a clear and discernible impact to trigger; that makes the data noteworthy and the event really should be publicized. Yes, perhaps the glass was subjected to stresses beyond normal range a while back - or even undetected anomalous events at the time of high drama: bird strike, pellets, surface scratches, edge impact - and now the smallest minor perturbation to the nominal took it beyond its elastic limit, so to speak. But if a certain product has a habit of shattering (multiple reported such outcomes) - well, the likelihood that there should be such a high correlation between purveyors of that item and 6-sigma beyond norm events that shattering glass should be an expected outcome, is statistically insignificant. More than likely then, there is indeed a manufacturing defect - either in the glass manufacture process, or planarity of the door frame into which it is inserted, its tensioning or some other assembly process. Tempered glass might shatter safely, but it doesn't have a habit of shattering so much so that anyone buying ovens or doors or whatever should expect that after the 3year/5year/7year window that they should expect to walk upto an imploded door. This is just silly. It is absolutely the right thing to do to air the fact that E'lux's oven door shattered in self-clean mode. If many E'lux ovens do that, it is likely an E'lux problem and won't be known until such complaints are aired, collected and documented. If many oven doors shatter in self-clean then either ovens will get to a point where they won't use glass in self-clean ovens or self-cleaning will be outmoded (yesssssss!). Whatever. (regardless that as far as I know, self-clean temps are well inside the tolerance regime of tempered glass). None of this happens until the user airs this. & others aren't edified until they happen upon such reports. The only factually incorrect, if that, information I ran across on the e'lux oven thread was the moral outrage about the health risks of someone walking into the glass shards. Fact is that shattered tempered glass is safer than regular shattered glass but it's no bowl of tofu, chaps. So, while I think that keeping a bit of a tamp on the emotional quotient isn't a bad idea, the motivating example has even me arguing against this thread and I certainly don't support the idea of filter's eliminating posts that exceed some imagined emotion threshold or pass someone's idea of fact-filled posts. If the last was the case, I doubt that the OP's post (top post, this thread) would have made the cut .... Hmmmm, come to think of it ....

I saw that in our local newspaper today. We have a Wegmans about five miles from our house and I shop there occasionally but have never bought any poultry there. Thanks for the alert.

Thanks everyone. Everyone is recovering well. Listeria is another one of those commonly present in the environment. Mostly, the amount is so small it can only make someone with a compromised immune system slightly ill and probably briefly. Refrigeration doesn't kill it. Long-term refrigeration gives it time to grow, incubate and balloon into toxic levels that easily spill out onto surfaces and cross-contaminate. Lettuce from garden to sink to table is really pretty safe even when contamination is present. The levels are very low. Lettuce from garden to sink to refrigerator until the next serving is more risky. Contamination can grow to levels that will make everyone very sick. Lettuce from farm to refrigerated containers, to refrigerated trucks, to other refrigerated trucks to refrigerated retail display and with new packaging - particularly the prepackaged lettuces - that prolong the shelf life is sufficient for gd knows what. This part is no one's fault. The CDC recommends avoiding pre-packaged salads for this reason. The only solution is to sanitize everything that was directly and indirectly in contact. Once contamination is confirmed, it can be just about anywhere and all over that system. Kinda puts a new perspective on the importance of routine sanitation of the home refrigerator! When was the last time I spilled something in the frig? Ensuring each individual container is closed tightly helps reduce the spread of contamination. Goodness!

This is a good time for a PSA, especially for empty nesters like DH & mysef. I know what it's like to have a bad case of food poisoning and how we missed it this time is amazing. Not long ago we found signs of pantry moths in the kitchen. I discovered it from a loaf of bread. Never saw a moth until I read to look at ceiling corners close to a kitchen and there was one in the DR corner. We had to throw out everything in the baking cabinet. They got in the supposed air tight containers, unopened packages, & open salt and pepper shakers. Next we threw out all pasta, rice, cereals, breads, oatmeal, all that stuff. Many spices took a hike too. While cleaning I checked expiration dates on canned goods. Oh my, some expired a few years ago. Cleaned out the fridge and was even more surprised and this taught DH a lesson too. The milk he drinks was over a week expired and he never checked expiration dates when shopping. I was poisoned by our own canned carrots, and they were about 4 years old. We weren't sure if they were still good or not so I decided to taste one sliced carrot, then another. Two hours later I was bedridden with all the nasty side effects. Their eggs looks like little blobs of orange marmalade which we do eat. Found some in the cutlerly drawer. Ended up with a pretty clean kitchen though!