I have her! She does seem thornless. Mine is still young and was just planted in spring so things may change as she fills out. Mine isn't in the best lighting but I got 2 small flushes so far but she is still small. She seems to have a more peace like bicolor going on, smaller blooms and fewer petals than my Belinda's Dream which is a year older and was a larger plant when I got it. Otherwise she seems like a fine plant. I don't have many disease issues here but she handled my conditions here well enough.

@vaporvac - not sure if they are completely dead yet. But they look mighty sad. I did plant them deep, so there is the hope of growth from below. It's not just the kordes though, it's everything else too - carruths, meillands, etc. I just had heard so many things about Kordes hardiness that I was shocked to see them dead to the ground. Poisedon, Cherry Lady (aka. fiji) & Summer Sun look terrible. However, Rosanna has buds starting on her lower canes already. But I will get out this week and start pruning away & see what happens. The austins have at least a few inches to a foot above the ground & the canadian roses have plenty of green. I do want to make a proper list of the roses that have some good starting cane left though for records. I was surprised to see a lot of green on Bolero & Wild Blue Yonder.

Chamblees and ARE are in my opinion, the two best places to order from. Oh and Roses Unlimited too. Chamblee has excellent prices for what you get. In total you pay about $18 per rose bush including shipping. Their only fault is they dont offer too huge a variety. Maybe thats how they keep costs down though and thats fine by me. ARE charges $28 (including shipping) but the plants are 2x the size and are of great quality. RU charges $24 a rose but have an awesome selection (as does ARE). Next on my list is Rogue Valley at $20 per band without shipping but they are good for hard to find varieties. Angel Gardens and Rose Petals Nurseries are also a bargain at $15 per rose not including shipping, however they always seem to be out of stock and only offer OGR's for the most part. K&M roses is an amazing source for Fortuniana root stock, but they are expensive. Plants are big, healthy and grafted though, so worth the price IMO. Cool Roses is also a great source for fortuniana roses, but they are local for me so I've never mail ordered from them. Bordeux is an awesome rose and somewhat underrated in my opinion. I think it will become more popular as word of mouth spreads about it. Its extemely healthy and the blooms are gorgeous for such an easy care rose. I'm very curious about Belinda's Blush. I contemplated ordering it and then passed it up, only to regret it. When i went back to order it, it was sold out. :( Let me know how that one does for you. :)

BD is definitely low thorn. Interesting how a sport can switch to be no thorn. I need to start in on my Madame Alfred Carriere. I am thinking of doing the bending down and tying like Jenny Barnes shows on her niff_barnes Instagram account.