Most or all miele dealers carry no inventory ! So, being saddled with a non seller isn't really plausible. Mom , it's very surprising that your DISHES weren't dry if you used rinse aid. Things like tupperware lids, sippycup tops, and other plastic items with channels that collect water and have no mass - yes. But those things are often wet out of heated dry makes too. My MIL had a GE with a huge element in the bottom and all the grandkid's stuff was wet after a cycle in that too. Yes, Bosch has cheaper models, but feature for feature (which is hard to align) they are pretty much the same price. Now, factor in that Miele makes all of their units in Germany with astronomical wage scales, ships them here, and pays duty on them, makes me wonder if the Bosch stuff made in rural NC is a tad over priced in comparison ? Still fine machines - and yes, I have a couple of them as well as Mieles.

That's why I'm not looking at a convection microwave, as I don't find that they do a good job on French fries or roasted potatoes There is *no* difference between a convection microwave, and using the Bosch in convection mode. That is the difference between a speed oven and a convection microwave. A convection microwave can only do the convection and microwave separately. A speed oven can combine the two at the same time to cook faster. If you don't want to combine them, there is no point in buying a speed oven. I don't want to have to use microwave with the oven function, and I'm under the impression that the GE Advantium requires that? All speed ovens, including Bosch and the Advantium, can be used in 3 modes at minimum. Microwave only, convection only, and combination. The Advantium adds halogen lights that are used in the speed mode. The Bosch can broil as well.

We decided to go with the 800 series combination oven hoping the fan noise won't be so much worse than the 500 series. I have a couple of different questions. 1) Can I get a telescopic tray on a different level instead of the bottom? We mainly use the oven to bake, that would be in the middle tray. The bottom tray will be used for thanksgiving I guess:) 2) As for the speed oven/microwave unit, can I bake brownies, cookies as well as roast chicken and ribs? 3) If you're unable to do the above, should I change just the speed oven to a GE adventium? I know the Adventium has more cooking options but I don't know whether I would really use all that's available. And then I need a good microwave as we use the microwave a lot. Please let me know what you think?

I went back and forth between the speed oven and microwave drawer, and ended up with the microwave drawer. If I'm remembering correctly both had basically the same install dimensions. We have ours in a 30" IKEA microwave base and it installed perfectly. I have a 5" drawer front to cut down to use as a trim filler for the gap but I have not yet done that part.