fyi, the rims can be painted after installation. Charliedawg, our plugs are perfect. With the lakeview, fireplace, tv, open kitchen and arches to DR and foyer, there is really only one natural place for our sofa. I knew we wanted to put a sofa table behind it, so we left room for that and enough room to walk between table and the cedar posts at the kitchen opening. The electrician said there was no rush since the plugs were going into the main level, which is second story, so we were able to wait until house was framed to decide exactly where they were going. DH and I used empty boxes to place where the sofa and measured to make sure there was enough room behind for table. (You can see the two cans in the kitchen we didn't need :( ) Here is a link that might be useful: Great room

Hi again Davidtay, Do you think if we install four scone lights (2 on the bottom wall, one on closet wall and one on wall opposite closet) where the walls are high enough and the cove lighting where sloped ceiling meets wall all around room we will have enough ambient light for the room??. All of the spots for the sconces are on the half of the room opposite the windows. I am not anxious to have lamps in that room. If you don't think the lighting will be sufficient with the 4 sconces in one half of the room and cove lighting, what can we add to augment? Also, which kind of Pegasus product would you suggest for the cove lighting? Finally, do you have any tricks when installing the crown molding to ensure you have enough room for the lights? My DH knows how to install crown, but he has never put lights behind them and he wondered how to do that. Sorry for so many questions, but I really want to get this room roughed in electrically so we can insulate. Carol

I completely agree with lynninnm and les. I hate overhead bedroom light fixtures and any place we have lived I have immediately replaced the ceiling light, if there was one, with a fan (with no lights). We use the fan year-round. Ceiling lights, no matter the wattage, are cold and harsh and you need additional lamps in the room anyway. We have night table lamps which are similar to the size we have on living room end tables and a floor lamp in the sitting area of the MBR. Warm lighting is so much nicer than a cold overhead light, imo, so enjoy sleeping with a fan and scrap the ceiling fixture.

You may be able to use these. I've had great success with them: Here is a link that might be useful: Remodel cans