I don't even know what that yuk is.

I don't

Powdery mildew

Okay, that doesn't sound horrible.

Should I defoliate because those leaves are pretty bad.

Plus I have never seen so many sawfly worms. Thanks Carla

Kristine - that looks awful. I found this on PM.

High humidity and overwatering promote growth of powdery mildew.

Any of these happening?

Older roses are probably more prone to it since they weren't grown for health?

Carol, no humidity to speak of and it gets watered in the pot at the bottom.

It is a mess, spider mites and sawfly and aphids too. Time to go to the Grange and see what I can find to use.

You're probably right about those older roses being different as far as hardiness.

I just planted it last year so hate to give up on it and it smells Heavenly. So I will give it the old college try.

Not to disagree with anyone here, but I had always read that PM was the result of dry weather and that is when I normally see it in susceptible roses. Same for spider mites so its not surprising you have them both at the same time. Perhaps try waterigng them from above to we wet the leaves or leave them out in the rain. If the plant if small, and you can contain the soil, try dipping the leaves in VERY hot water. If thats not possible, Ive had excellent relutls spraying with a dilute mix of skim milk and wand waeter.

Some rose just seem to get this. I have two Katherine Zeimet cuttings with it , each in a different area. Most will outgrow it. I had another, but dont recall which.... maybe theThe Fairy. Try the milk before the chemicals. It does work by coating the leaves with Casein and probably changing the PH of them, Im guessing.

Agree with Vapor on mildew being on dry roses here.

I have a William III rarity that got PM and I resorted to Immunox spray and he revived beautifully. I don't spray but this was really an emergency.

I will say some of the lierature t is confusing so saying humidyity AROUND the plant, but dry weather.

Vap, I read the same thing.

Last year I had a recently

moved Valencia that had a much milder case of mildew and the milk treatment worked .

Before I go buy anything I will try that.

So because there are also mites and sawfly I watered with a good hard spray under and over to hopefully remove the mites and the worms. Tonight I will try a milk bath.

Sheila, thanks for the recommendation for Immunox spray. Did you find it at the Grange?

As you know, it's plenty dry here, and my roses don't mildew at all (I think it's because they are well watered with the drip), but I have had a few perennials which mildewed when crowded and dry--monarda, one type of aster, and Butterfly Blue Scabiosa. Since our drip system was enlarged and improved, this hasn't happened, though one very crowded peony does at the end of the season when the leaves are deteriorating--just the disintegrating leaves. Diane

So consensus is dryness causes mildew. :) :) I hope the milk helps. :)

I think I got it on amazon, Kristine, but the Grange probably has it. It was a miracle cure.

I need to go to the Grange today so I will pick some . Thanks Sheila

Should I get rid of the leaves that are really bad?

I would

Moses I totally agree with you that if a rose needs to be babied then it's out. With the number of roses that I have, I have no time for trouble makers

It gets one reprieve lol

Right next to it is the beautiful healthy Gypsy Soul. I definitely need more roses like that one

Moses thanks for your sensible advice.

Kristine

Troublemaker would be a great name for a rose!

;)

Carla

I so agree...if it doesn't shape up...out it goes. There are so many fabulous roses!! :)

Basically I agree with Moses, BUT keep in mind that this plant is very, very young. It's health may well improve once it develops an adequate root system. Roses do need time to mature; they are not like annuals!

Bart Bart, that's what I am counting on. Even with everything going on it has got 4 huge healthy buds.

I gave it a milk bath and will again until the spray arrives this weekend. Getting rid of the reallly damaged leaves it's already looking better. I haven't seen any more sawfly or spider mites but I am continuing to water spay for that. I am pretty determined to do my best to save the Papa.

Carol, his fragrance makes him worth the effort

Bart, I have had that happen where a frail rose strengthened and I am grateful I did not toss it. The Tea roses too, take time getting established and they are worth it.

Not sure if I’m doing something wrong but powdery mildew arrives every year for me around this time, when our “first spring” March-April ends and May/June gloom set in. I don’t spray either mainly because I’m lazy and if I want to spend time in my garden it’s to enjoy it, not fuss. But this year the powdery mildew is BAD. Some roses look like they’ve got snow on them.

It’s always foggy and misty in the mornings this time of year and then dry in the afternoon so it’s high humidity, cool evenings that make for perfect PM conditions. Then it got worse when all my roses (all in pots) got crowded this year when contractors had to move all my pots into one corner…every rose was crammed into its neighbor for two weeks, which also made the watering inconsistent to say the least. Sigh.

Kristine, I hope you will win the battle agaist mildew.

I am seeing the same issue with Chrysler Imperial and Oklahoma, which I bought at end of season bare root sale in Walmart. I was prepared to face all the diseases and pests, as Moses pointed out they have no resistance. I just wanted to smell the classical red rose fragrance and ready to dispose them later. They both have had flower buds. I plucked the affected leaves (which are many) and will apply the milk treatment thanks all for the suggestion.

Meanwhile, Firefighter has bloomed 2 flowers already, giving out sweet perfume fragrance. Not too strong but hopefully will get so later

Forever, I hope that you can win the battle with mildew. I have had good success with the milk.

sprayed

I sprayed my two cutting of Katherine Zeimet and a few leaves of Blush Hip with a copper fungicide until I have some fresh milk!!! LOL! @forever_a_newbie_VA8, Id still give them time. Here Oklahoma is a surprisingly good rose and only. Many roses only get this once in Spring and recuperate. Oklahoma stil gives many flushes here and has a lovely scent to my nose.

Kristine, Vaporvac:

thanks very much and I feel much encouraged. I went ahead and gave them a milk bath. Hopefully they will pull through. Oklahoma is certainly a beautiful rose with unique charm and I cannot wait to admire its first bloom 🌹

Ryan, I have PM worse this spring than I have ever seen in the 25 years at this house. Also, my 20+ year old Eden, which is on the north side of a wooden fence, usually only gets rust in the late fall and winter, but right now has several canes covered in rust in what should be full sun. It has to be the overly cool winter and spring, and the unrelenting fog. I'd estimate we've had 10 hours total of sun in the past 2 weeks. Not kidding on those numbers!

Susan, I agree the June gloom set in early—more like grey-May. And the rust is almost as bad as the PM. Today we actually got sun for most of the day, but with the way everything looks I may have to spray milk at least if not chemical. Does anybody use something to make the milk adhere such as an oil?

I have sparyed milk 3 or 4 times since past 2 weeks. The PM seeminly is under control. BS starts to show on these roses as expected but not too bad at this moment

Left is Chrylser Imperial, right is Oklahoma. Chrysler is very fragrant with old sweet rose scent but Oklahoma does have much if any scent. The air is filled with smoke from Canadian fire that might have affected my smelling ability.

I will keep doing milk spray. Thanks all !

I am growing the 3rd fragrant brother - Mister Lincoln - for the first year in my "garden". He's still small, but he also seems prone to powdery mildew. Weather has been relatively dry here in PA. I sprayed organic fungicide a couple of times and it seemed to clear most of it up. There was one set of leaflets that kept getting it, so I just took that set off. The mildew hasn't come back in the last week or so. Mister Lincoln's leaves seem otherwise healthy for now, but he seems to have no inclination to rebloom. The leaves he had when he finished blooming are the same leaves he has now - almost 2 weeks later.

So sorry that I have been absent. This is the first time in 2 weeks that this post has come up.

Anyway, the leaves on Papa aren't pretty but sawfly seems to be gone along with the other bugs. Yet even at his sickest he pumped out such incredible blooms that he is worth saving.

I just think that this funky weather has been the cause of plants going rogue on us.