I really dislike J&J bathrooms and now with 3 kids no way. We need to scale darwings with all windows doorways marked and all measurements clearly marked before we can really help . IMO if renovating this floor is part of a amjor redo then get an Interior designer now .

We are working with a design build firm. They did our first floor reno and we had a great experience! The windows are shown in the drawings--one above the toilet, and one in the bedroom to the left of the sinks. Doorways are all in the pictures.

Go for the only door to be to the hall. Jack and Jills don't work and waste space. I prefer traditional layout. Tub on outside wall, then toilet, then sink or sinks. If you can fit a utility closet for towels and a clothes hamper, that would be perfect.

Get your design firm to draw up some ideas.

Also a parent with three kids. And I would hate a J&J for them. For sure go with the hallway entry only. Although it feels like you gain nothing you do because of wall space and movement in the bathroom. With three kids sharing I would look into if you can have the sinks in one part, a pocket door, and then tub and toilet so more than one kid can be in there together.

We had a bathroom like WestCoast described one time. We moved before the kids got old enough to need it, but it would of been great.

How big will the new bath be when you absorb the hall closet stuff? This is our bath that two kids share. It works really great for them.

Thanks everyone! I would LOVE to have the toilet/bath in a separate "room" like the layout above. However, we're trying to avoid moving too many water lines as that will add greatly to the cost. The layout in the option #1 picture is closest to what we have now--sink and toilet on outside wall, bathtub on opposite wall. The only difference is the addition of the sink and open storage space next to the tub.

It seems like closing the Jack-and-Jill doors is the most popular option so far! I agree closing the doors will create more space to move--the bathroom is so tiny now it's hard to move, and as my kids become teenagers it will be even worse!

What I posted could easily work in your space.

Where sinks are now becomes the tub, toilet stays same. That spot can have a pocket door.

Then the sinks go where you have the bathtub planned in the remodel. This is not changing much more than you already had planned and gives your kids space to grow and share in the space.

WestCoast, I can definitely ask! That would be such a better arrangement. Maybe it won't add too much to the cost since we're already relocating the water line with the tub moving, and I imagine we'd need an additional line for a second sink, but I have no clue. :-)

I love it!! Just terrified of the cost.

You might be able to go with one sink for more counter space and drawers. Yes, can’t have 2 kids brushing teeth at same time but can brush or dry hair, etc. Otherwise you end up not having space for the things that are actually used at the sink, and can have later a drawer per kid or whatever.
This wound especially true if you separate toilet& tub.

You can have a giant linen closet or storage unit on wall behind the two sinks for all their towels and bathroom needs

WestCoast, what is the benefit of having the tub and toilet in the same "room." My husband pointed out that having the toilet and sinks separate means the kids will be touching the pocket door with germy hands before they can wash up. He did like the idea of adding the wall with the pocket door though, so we're going to bring it up with the designers!

Someone can shower or bathe or use bathroom while others brush teeth. The reality is if there is a door anywhere inside the bathroom it means germs hands

What we really need is an outhouse!! I have 3 boys!!!!

Oh my son has his own bath and it’s so gross lol

You do not need two sinks in a kids bathroom. You need storage and you LOSE storage by having a second sink. Make the vanity larger but make the extra space storage drawers.

Disagree. Two sinks regularly used in my shared kid bath and that’s with two kids sharing. With three you would need even more. Boys don’t have the same volume of stuff either. My teen son has one of his three drawers with something in it. Storage behind door on wall gives you all you need

With three boys, they probably won't care about privacy. Skip the inside door. You will do good if you can get them to close the door to the hall, lol.

I like the idea of a linen storage tower on the wall behind the door as well. We will have some storage space in the vanity, but we really need two sinks or there will be LOTS of fighting in our future (especially before school).

Disagree. Two sinks regularly used in my shared kid bath and that’s with two kids sharing. With three you would need even more. Boys don’t have the same volume of stuff either. My teen son has one of his three drawers with something in it. Storage behind door on wall gives you all you need

How long is your vanity for the boys WestCoast?

The vanity she has showing is just under 50" if I am reading the measurements correctly. The minimum for a double vanity is 5' and that's without any good storage. 6' would be the minimum for a double vanity with ok storage. In her case, the single sink with drawers would be a heck of a lot more useful. Vanity on one half and drawers on the other half.

5’ 5” is ours and it has a bank of drawers in middle and cupboards below each sink and then a bottom drawer. My girls share that. My son has own bathroom and has almost nothing in his vanity. The reality is with a cupboard of storage behind them the vanity needs to serve the purpose of mirror space and teeth brushing

I like WestCoasts layout and storage - I think having the pocket door is nice even if they don’t use it that much.

If you do have lots of storage behind the door and close to the sinks, you could even make the vanity super simple and utilitarian type with shelving under vs drawers etc. Each boy has a tote they pull put with their stuff in it from the shelf or just towels under and their stuff in cupboard behind

Germs. I guess most homes don’t have automatic faucets so faucet handle are always a mix of “ before” and “ after” handwashing.

Single or double sinks tend to be matters if preference and of course the amount of storage comes down to the specifics of the vanity and other space in room. So it’s just something to be aware of since sometimes people didn’t realize how much room they might want.

I will say that an argument in favor of 2 sinks is that if one person is using the single sink, another person using the room may be less likely to stop and wash hands.

You can not dft a tub where the vanity is in the original layout. You will not have room for a toilet next to it.

Good catch. Could get a smaller than standard tub. Really it’s for resale and I suspect your boys will be showering not having tons of baths.

I have said this before. Our upstairs bath is split with sink in one room and the toilet/tub in the other. My girls are 2 1/2 years apart and I do not think they were ever both in the bath at the same time. Outside door was locked. You know your guys and know if they would share or not.

We also did the one sink only thing with lots on counter space next to it. (entire run over 6 feet long). That worked out good even with just one in the br, it was a drop zone for hair dryer, curling iron, etc away from the sink.

If there's not room for cabinets behind the sink in the plan @WestCoast Hopeful came up with, a shorter one sink vanity with a linen cabinet next to it could work.

Honestly I think the more critical thing will be having access from the hallway, rather than separate spaces for tub and toilet. I think we will be ok on storage space... really just need someplace to stow towels, extra soap/shampoo, and cleaning supplies. We will have a linen closet in our master bath, I think, and so we have storage in other spots on the main floor if we need it. I have all boys so we don't need much room for makeup, hair dryers, etc. I love the idea of a linen tower behind the door and think we are going to eliminate the Jack-and-Jill doors. I'm dreading seeing the estimate... are prices just insane everywhere right now?! We thought it would cost ~$35-40k for a bathroom gut job, but were told because all the tile is set in concrete, the demo alone would cost at least $10-15k. Plus moving walls, knocking out closets... it looks like we won't be able to do it for less than $60k. We've gotten three separate estimates and that was the lowest!!

I tried to come up to speed in this thread, but may have missed something critical.

Can you post the as-built drawing so we can see your starting point?

Does this bathroom need a tub? I'm thinking a shower next to the toilet with the vanity near the entrance is more functional than placing the vanity at the back of the room.

When we remodeled our small house I opted to put the tub in the primary suite and placed a shower in the main/kids bath. Seven years later and I'm still very happy with this choice. No one needs to linger in our busiest bathroom and when we had littles who played in the tub they were supervised by me anyway. In our bathroom, the stall is 42" deep and 36" wide. Separating the toilet + shower from the vanity works optimally for our girls... .

Without a door to the bathroom from the bedroom, the closet is in an awkward location and chops up the room unnecessarily. It's best to place bedroom closets adjacent to the entrance.

ETA: Wheres the bedroom's egress window? The window in the drawing looks too small.

Wow -- too bad the opening to the hallway is the most expensive option, since it makes the most sense (access from a third bedroom). I like the idea mentioned below about adding a tub to the master (since you are planning to remodel it anyway) and saving space by having just a shower in the J&J bathroom. My only tub is in the hallway bath and, if I had a choice/the space, I'd prefer it in the master bath.

It is hard to see your exact dimensions, but you might have room for a 32 inch tub, then toilet and 48 inch vanity..

The number one bedroom looks tight and it might be nice to give the extra room to that bedroom and put a small desk under the window.

You would have to waterproof the window in the shower and there might be a jig in the wall between the bedroom and bathroom. They don't line up.

I would probably change the shower head and controls to the right wall for easier use.

Sheloves, unfortunately the master bath is pretty small too and we don't have room for a tub in there. We currently have a very narrow prison cell-like shower that we're trying to figure out how to work with.... definitely no room for a tub. There is a set of 3 large windows in the bedroom on the wall opposite the bathroom. We can't move the closet.... just not in the budget as it would requite redoing the hardwood floors, etc., which have just been recently refinished. The bedroom shown in the pictures is the largest of the kids bedrooms! The second floor is just not that large unfortunately.... we live in a city where they build up, not out. :-)

If we had an unlimited budget I'd add a second floor extension but there is absolutely no way that can happen!

Karen, I really like the layout you drew, but we can't move the toilet. We've asked them to make up some drawings pushing the bathroom out into the hallway, but not the closet, like what you have shown (without moving the toilet) but I think that option will be just as expensive AND we will still have a really narrow, cramped bathroom.

I'll try to post some pics of current conditions!

Can a tub not be rotated up against the bedroom wall? Basically it would just be moved down the wall in the last picture. The vanity could stay in the first room.

It's hard to see the measurements of the bathroom with the extension. It seems that your double sink vanity is less than 5'0". I understand that two sinks is a must for you. Can you make it at least 5'0"? Even 5'0" is not he best as you have tiny drawers and not that much counter top but I think you can get away with it since you have boys which I believe have less stuff than girls.

This is a slight modification from Designers Consortium layout:

If your bathroom is less than 10'4" long, you can find tubs that are 54" long. I made the storage behind the tub smaller so you have some wall to mount a towel bar. You can also add a bar between the tub and the toilet.