Kitchen timers are a few dollars. They display the time remaining. Start the timer when you begin the cycle. Then you won't need to memorize anything. You probably already have one you use for other things in your kitchen.

We have a Bosch with a visible countdown timer and this feature is a must in our home. Ontario Hydro has 3 electricity usage rates and oftentimes, someone turns on during the highest period. If it‘s near the end I let it be, but if just started I pause it. If you have different rates it‘s an especially important option.

Because we are environmentally conscious of our water usage, the only thing I dislike is the auto set for a regular (2 hr) cycle. (The rapid wash is only 1 hour and dishes are spotless.) If you don’t adjust at the start it’s a pain to reset once it begins. Be conscious of cycles Options when buying also and what features are really necessary, ie: crystal dry/auto open (I don’t have either and have no issues) so more model choices will open up.

IMO appliances with the fewest electronics are the best A lot less to break down and I have never needed a timer to show on my floor . I do not even want the buzzer to tell me when the DW ids done. I have a Bosch with a quick wash ctcle that takes 23 minutes maybe 25 once in wahile I use that ctycle 90% of the time . I only have one cycle that takes close to 2 hrs and that is my pot scrubber cycle which I use mostly for all the stuff from the top of my gas range maybe once a month . I run the DW when it is needed full or not . Even then it saves water over hand washing. BTW mine is 15 yrs old one service call and I run a catering biz from my home so often 6-8 loads a day.

I have a Bosch 800 series with the 3rd rack that I use for silverware and small bowls. It has front controls and counts down the remaining time. SHEM78Z55N

The third rack is an excellent feature! We load our knives with the sharp edge upwards to preseve the rack.

Updating to say that I don't wash sharp knives in the DW only butter knives. We handwash our sharp knives. No one has ever cut themselves unloading or loading the DW in my house.

No need to bother with cutting your self or others. The rack is designed better than Miele. You cannot break the flatware fingers and grooves, unless you actually try to. Believe me, a sharp xacto knife has to be heated to modify racks. I had to with my 3rd rack, as it was missing the pull insert. So i modified a lower rack pull insert to fit and fill the open area. Both plastics are identical. You would have to be a Jason or Micheal Myers to stab through these racks.

We have used very sharp and heavy knives with edges facing rack grooves. The plastics are very durable, even with the standard 3rd rack. The only flimsy rack is the standard long flatware and standard dual flatware baskets.

All the baskets with 800 series are of high durablity and flexibility. The nice thing is all baskets are interchangeable. Only in rare occurrences the 3rd rack is pulled and flex flatware baskets are used. 95% of the time, flatware baskets are not used.

SHEM78Z55N with front controls looks good, but no Crystal Dry or auto open to dry plastics properly.

Check this model. It is also a Bosch 800 with the crystal dry. SGE78B55UC. The ultimate dry with CrystalDry™, including plastics

Bosch 800 series SHEM78Z55N also has crystal dry and a light to let you know the machine is running.

I’m looking for more info than just knowing that it’s running.

I need to see remaining cycle time.

So, for Bosch, I only want models with either front panel displays or the ”Timelight” feature.

It appears that Timelight has been discontinued because I only see it on old models that are no longer prduced.

Both the models I mention have front controls that count down the remaining time. I looked at both on the Bosch.com site. Interesting both models are 800 series and cost the same. The only difference I see is the utensil bins and that light showing it is running.

They don’t have Crystal Dry or auto open though.

I’m looking for a model that has that combination of features.

The Bosch models that match all the features are all discontinued.

I recently rented a house that had a new Bosch dishwasher with the auto open feature and was really impressed by it. If we ran the dishwasher overnight, they were dry enough in the morning. Not perfect, (nothing ever is), but dry enough to put away.

I have the SHXM63W55N, and when using "normal mode", most of the time only the plastics are damp, everything else is dry enough and is not a problem for me. However, if I start the DW while I'm on vacation, everything in there will be all clammy, I'm assuming because those wet plastics were left in there for days with no way for condensation to escape. So that auto open would be a really nice feature.

As Toni already mentioned, the SHEM78Z55N DOES have Crystal Dry. Plus the front controls with "time remaining" indicator on the front. Or there's the Miele 7106. It seems like either of these options fits your criteria. Is there an additional feature you are looking for?

SHEM78Z55N is discontinued.

Ah, apologies. I assumed that if Bosch's website shows a model, it would still be in production.

When you go the page about the SHEM78Z55N, it has an icon for more infomation. When you click on it, it says it’s no longer available and then refers you to a different model without the same features,

I apologize for not noticing the comment on these models. I did look at the replacement https://www.bosch-home.com/us/productslist/out-of-stock/SHEM78ZH5N#/Tabs=section-technical-overview/Togglebox=accessories/Togglebox=manuals/Togglebox=accessoriesOthers/
Looks like it has most of the features. The controls are on top but it also has a front display showing when the cycle will end (interesting). I actually like this feature vs just showing time remaining. My only concern is how to adjust the time display as it is showing what I believe is called military time e.g. instead if 1:00 it shows 13:00. Also notices the price is $300 more at $1,699. Everything is going up

Good luck in your quest to find a dishwasher.

Ok, then the Bosch SHEM78ZH5N and Miele G7106SCUSS seem like direct competitors with similar pricing.

I wonder which method will be best at drying plastics? Crystal Dry Bosch vs AutoOpen Miele?

Which is quietest in real world use?

Which will have the longest life with fewest repairs?

Any other benefits of Bosch vs Miele?

For me, it came down to the racks. The Miele layout fit my dishes better than the Bosch. And the racks seem much easier to operate, in moving in and out and in adjusting the heights. My husband and I were both surprised by how stiff and difficult to move the Bosch racks were. Be sure to take some of your dishes and glassware into a dealership and test out how your items fit in each brand, and whether you like the operation of the interior components.

As mentioned in an earlier post i have a 2015 miele with auto open in my main house. Absolutely love it. Works far better than the crystal dry IMHO. Both of my daughters have the bosch with crystal dry. It works ok but plastics are not as dry as they are in the Miele with auto open. My older daughter uses alot of plastics with her kids and i have loaded and unloaded her dw many times.

The bosch IMHO is slightly quieter.

i agree with mcarroll16 about the miele racks i prefer their layout over bosch but that is a personal choice.

Both have good reliabilty reputations Miele offers a 5 yr warranty that can b purchased within a year after purchase

i have had to replace my backflow valve A $30 part diy repair in 7+ years.

Have u checked availability? That could b a decision maker depending on ur timeframe

These are results I'm getting from my Zeolite dishwasher. It works well, provided the drying cycle isn't too short.

https://youtu.be/Uio8G0L2WJk

I was ready to order the G7106 today, but the local appliance showrooms said Miele is no longer accepting orders because they are backlogged 14 months.

So, I might not get it until 2025.

That’s not good. Guess I better get my order in!! Any feedback on Bosch??

Sorry. Appliance shopping right now is definitely grim.

Lowes recently started carrying a few exclusive Miele models. This model is available now. It has auto open and wifi so you can check the cycle progress on your phone.

Thanks. It’s a little tempting since it adds AutoDOS (more things to need repairs though), but I don’t want to depend on an app.

Whatever service is running the app will likely shut down or stop supportng this model before the end of the life of the dishwasher. So, using the app is only a temporary solution and is only useful for the one in the house with the app configured on their phone unlike a visible display on the dishwasher.

So, I wonder how Lowes has access to these dishwashers?

Are they not manufactured in the same factories as the other Miele dishwashers that are backordered 14 months?

Does Lowes provide repair service?

I have a feeling Lowes gets a guaranteed number of units from Miele under their contract so that's why they have these models in stock. They will be made in Europe like all their other dishwashers.

You will be able to see the time display of the Miele but will need to bend down to peek between the dishwasher and counter.

Ok, if you can actually read the remaining time that way on the Miele, then that’s a usable compromise and opens up many more models as possibilities.

I currently have a Bosch where I have to open the door mid cycle to see remaining time.

If you do that near the end, it will ruin the condensation drying.

I'm sorry, I might be incorrect in it displaying the cycle time while it's closed. Hopefully someone that has a top control Miele can chime in. Or I suggest calling a Miele Experience Center and asking one of their associates.

On my Bosch dishwasher, the top controls display turns off as soon as the door is latched.

So, trying to peek at it with the door shut will not work.

Is that any different with Miele?

Everyone seems to hate the Miele app or has problems setting it up. Read the comments in this video.

Even if I could get it to work on a brand new dishwasher, there is little chance wificonn@ct will support the dishwasher for the long term. They will likely say you need to buy a new dishwasher to support future versions of the service assuming the service exists at all after a few years.

I just got a G7106 installed this morning and the installers set it up running a cycle empty. They said just let it complete the cycle and let them know if there are any problems.

I am not getting the super-silent experience where people always say they can’t tell whether or not the dishwasher is running.

I can very clearly hear the water spraying inside the dishwasher interior from 20 feet away.

I also very clearly hear when the wash cycles end and the drain pump turns on to empty the water. It actually sounds noisier than the Bosch 800 series sounds when it’s operating normally. The Bosch motors would start droning when they start going bad, but they were quiet otherwise. The Bosch recently started droning again and I didn’t want to put any more money into it. So, I switched to Miele to hopefully get better reliability.

I think no dishwasher will be “silent” in this open concept layout where the back of the dishwaher is facing the livingroom. I may need to get sound absorbing insulation attached to the cabinet opening for the dishwasher bay to supplement the insulation that’s pre-installed on the dishwasher itself.

Jaxo, congratulations on the new Miele. I have a 40 dB Bosch 800 model. I find when it's not totally full, I hear the water sprayig around ad it acn be quite noticeable. But I don't run a load that's about 3/4 full, most a full to the gills. They are known as BobLoads.

I ran a second load about 3/4 full of dishes that made the noise more subtle except for the initial startup noises and drain pump motor noise between each cycle that were still quite loud.

I can still clearly hear washing water sounds from 20 feet away despite others saying they can’t tell when their dishwashers are running unless they put their ear right up against the door because it’s so silent.

I'm listening to my Bosch 500 DW (44 dBA) running right now in my open-concept small house. It is mostly silent with short bursts or periods of noisyness, especially when the water is draining. It doesn't bother me though. I see it as background noise that I don't ever think about.

Is your dishwasher installed on the side of the kitchen that faces the other room?

I think the people who have the dishwashers that they can’t tell when they are on or off likely have them installed on different wall facing another way or else not open concept at all.

A full wall likely absorbs much more of the dishwasher noise.

@jaxo if you are directing your question to me, my DW faces my living room in a small house. There is no wall between the DW and living room. If I am sitting on the couch in the living room, I can fully see the front of the DW door.

Jaxo, have a close look at your machine's installation. Check for gaps around the perimeter of the unit through which operational sounds can pass and that the toekick panel fits properly to the floor.

The toekick panel seems OK and is touchingbthe floor, but there are gaps on the sides.

What’s best used to seal around the perimeter?

Isn’t there an air intake and/or exhaust used for drying that’s not supposed to be covered and blocked?

Jaxo, I think you are probably right about installing in an island vs against a wall. Our Miele 7566 was installed last week. It is quiet on the "quick" cyle and almost silent on the "normal" cycle, except for short bursts when it's draining. But it's installed against an insulated exterior wall.

When my miele was installed 8 years ago it was not as queit as expected. My dw is installed in an island that is a large curve and I found small gaps in the sides of my dishwasher. I used weather stripping to stuff into the sides and that took care of the noise. Mine is now very quiet on normal cycle with my husband constantly opening it not realizing it is running. I do hear draining noises and I do hear noise when I have large pots upside down on the bottom rack. It also makes more noise on the pots and pan as well as clean machine cycle. None of the noise is distracting particularly if there is TV or other conversation giong on.

Closed-cell foam adhesive weatherstrip, as Kim G advises.

I noticed that at the end of the cycle the door cracks opens to aid drying as expected.

However, it takes too much effort to fully open the door.

Feels like the latch is going to break and then it makes noises like the latch is unengaging with a motor after manually forcing it open.

Why doesn’t it automatically unlatch when the drying period is complete?

There's a long discussion here addressing the issue on a different model.

How to open Miele dishwasher door (G7102SC) after AutoOpen

Since I no longer need to be around to manually open the door when the cycle ends to get the dishes to dry properly, I can usually schedule the dishwasher to run early in the morning when nobody should hear it.

However, sometimes I need to run the dishwasher during the day. So, I’d still like to solve the issue.

It seems as if most of the noise is coming from the front of the dishwasher with only very little noise coming through the back of the island.

Is there any issue with fully stuffing the opening for the dishwasher with insulation to absorb/ block most noise and then adding weatherstripping at the front edges as trim to hide the insulation from view and keep it sealed?

Is there an air intake and/or exhaust on the dishwasher that needs to not be blocked?

I‘m going to see if I can get some sound dampening material installed in the cabinet opening in the next month or so. This Miele really is notably louder than the Bosch it replaced.

The main advantage is that it dries better and has the auto open so I don’t need to be around to manually open the door. So, I try to always use the time delay to run it in the middle of the night and then wake up to dry dishes.

However, the amount of noise it makes if I need to run a load during the day is excessive.

The other difference between this and the Bosch is how much lighter the door and the racks are. The door and the racks go flying because I’m still used to heft of the Bosch.

Unsticking the door release after it auto opens is the one major exception. That actually requires too much force and makes you feel like you might break it.

Everyone I asked is scared to install insulation on the cabinets because it may cause overheating issues.

One contractor is willing to line the cabinet interior opening with Dynomat, but I’m not sure that will make much difference. I think sealing up the air space with thicker padding would work better especially if added in addition to the Dynomat, but we cant do that if it’s unsafe.

Is it unsafe to have the gaps around the dishwasher filled in with insulation?

No. Installation should normally have the machine fit into the cavity without a gap. I added adhesive foam around mine (not a Miele or Bosch) and an additional piece of foam behind the toe kick years ago to no detrimental effect thus far other than reduced operational sounds. Some machines have an air gap on the water inlet flume or side of the tub which should itself not be obstructed or sealed over air-tight to allow for expansion of the air inside the tub during water heating.

What kind of adhesive foam and how can you add foam to the opening and still put the dishwasher back in place without interference?

If there is no gap around the dishwasher, installing the dishwasher will either push the foam off the sides or the foam will block the dishwasher from being pushed into place.