Since the senate passed S623, the house can just vote on that bill and can drop HR69. Or they can vote on HR69 and if passed I believe there would need to to be reconciliation between the 2 bills to get to the final bill that both chambers can agree on.

I can't see there being much difference between the two bills...either we go to DST all year or we don't.

According to Wikipedia, daylight saving time is preferred, but it is also is commonly referred to as daylight savingS time, daylight time or just summer time. All are accepted usage.

Hey, the new plan works a-ok for me, but then again I'm retired and wake up with the sunrise. We'll see if early hour workers and parents of school kids are still celebrating by next Nov.

There isn't much difference. But both have to pass before the pres signs off before it can become law. There's lots of bills that have gone dead off the floor while the other side passed their version. S623 could go into conference comittee and be worked with the House that way, but it's less likely that it will since there is an existing companion bill in HR 69. If S623 and HR 69 once it's brought to the floor and if it passes, then there would be an immediate pass on to the pres as two companion bills in unison without a need for a conference comittee. Companion bills are usual since they maximise the chances of passing into law over taking a bill from one side and confrencing it.

I think since S623 passed, HR 69 might see some pressure to take it out of subcomittee and take it to the floor. It was introduced and referred a bit earlier than S623, so we can hope.

Here in central FL it gets light on EST at around 7:15 AM in Dec. On EDT it will be 8:15, I wonder what time it will get light in the northern tier of states, 10:15 AM? I'm thinkin' Standard Time year round...

This discussion brought this to mind. My son and I happened to be at the taping of this episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYQsd_lGWY

Gail, I love it.

I live far enough north that in winter it stay dark late into the morning and gets dark pretty early in the afternoon. Conversion to a permanent DST is not going to change much although I think I would prefer a standard time conversion. I am much more willing to give up an hour of daylight in summer when we have 16 hours of it, compared to the only 8 hours of daylight in winter.

We prefer Standard Time because we take the dog out at 6AM. I hate having to get up and go out when it is pitch black outside. Feels like it is the middle of the night. No street lights because we are out in the country. At 10 YO the dog is not going to change. We don't need the light at end of the day for anything. Also I hated getting my son up when it was dark and waiit in the dark for the bus.

Apparently it's been tried before.

The U.S. tried permanent DST in the 1970s. People hated it.

Except in midsummer, it is ALWAYS dark here at 6 am! LOL!

btw, at almost 14, my dog has begun to ask to go out somewhere around 1-2 am (which I totally understand - me too!!) so it makes little difference whether it is DST or just ST that is adopted year round.....dark is still dark!

I will love it. Can't wait!

How does Putin feel about it? Will it upset him? /s

Lacyvail, here's the song I was talking about:

Growing up in Texas, I seem to remember everyone saying "daylight savings time," but I never gave much thought about it.

I guess it is somewhat like saying "anyways" (which I hate and which is not in my dictionary from 1968) instead of "anyway." I notice that spellcheck considers "anyways" to be a word, but I do not.

I believe the first year Texas had DST (in my life) was 1966. This song is from 1966 or 1967.

About everyone hating it in 1974. Maybe part of the hatred was due to it going into effect in the middle of winter -- January 6, according to the article Alisande linked to. Imagine having to get up an hour earlier AND it's cold, and for much of the US, it's still pretty dark in the evening so where's the big improvement? Yuck. If we do it again, maybe enact it in mid-summer so it's not a double-whammy shock with no pay off.

I am all for not changing it twice or once a year...but I have to admit I wish they would fall back before we STICK...summer's of light at 10PM are not great--for young parents trying to get kids to bed, fireworks, sitting by the campfire, all sorts of important things!! hahahah

I like having more daylight at the end of the day. When my son was young, we were both outside until dark brought us in - we had a lot of late dinners but we didn't care. We loved being outside. To me, it's more of a benefit for parents to have longer daylight at the end of the day. I guess it just depends on what you like to do.

Shades and so-called "blackout drapes" can easily darken a sleeping room if it's still light outside at bedtime.

"We prefer Standard Time because we take the dog out at 6AM."

With or without a clock change, if you don't have a job schedule to get up for, you can always adjust your own and your dog's awake/sleep cycle by staying up later so that wake-up time is later (as measured by the clock) and not until sunrise.

My cousin and I were just talking about this subject this morning. Ontario is considering it. I remember when I was a child there was an hours difference in the time from the rest of Ontario, our city stayed the same time as Detroit while Toronto 4 hours away was an hour difference. We eventually changed back

Lol HU787. We have a big ole firepit down by the pond and we havent used it in ages. By the time we get a fire good and going and night enjoyable it's so late it's time to start letting it go out. We are extremely cautious with burning and like to make sure a fire is really out before walking away for the night. We sometimes use a smaller grill pit up by the house later into the evening- that's easier because we can just put the lid on to put it out.

That is great news!

LOL Kids KNOW when it's light out--curtains or not!!! We were pretty strict about bed times so everyone got enough sleep but you are soo right everyone has their priorities.

Where I live if we stay on daylight savings, sunrise will be in mid-November, December and January between 8:30am-9-15 and kids will be walking to school in the dark. November and December it rains a lot so they will be walking to school in dark stormy mornings. But what will happen is parents will be driving their kids putting more cars on the road.

Rush hour will be uglier than it already is.

Wasn't this tried once before ? Lots of articles about it and here's one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

I don't live that far north - central Ohio - but still, sunrise will be around 0845 +/- for 2.5 months midwinter on DST. It will actually stick at 0853 for nearly 3 weeks. Sunset at 1715-1730 (on standard time) isn't that bad in comparison, for me -- I need morning sun!

I haven´t read all of the posts, but I much prefer to have more light at the end of the day when I´m fully awake and functioning than in the morning when I´m mostly likely going to be inside anyway. During the summer months when I´m more likely to spend time outside, there are plenty of daylight hours.

As far as acronyms go in written communication - first write it out, then you can use the acronym in the rest of the text.

This is anecdotal and all, but does anyone know of any young kids who walk to school, or even to a corner bus stop, without adult supervision? This isn't the 1960's anymore, lol. The elementary age kids that I see in my town and my DD's town are NEVER walking or waiting for the bus alone. They always have an adult with them. Only middle- and high-schoolers seem to be allowed to go to/from school by themselves. Are we so unusual...?

I CAN'T WAIT...IT'S ABOUT TIME.

My kids were born in the 80s. I never saw kids standing at the bus stop without a parent. Most of the kids are taken to daycare or a parent takes them to the bus stop then heads off to work Times have changed from the 50s, 60, and 70s. I've never lived where there were sidewalks and never had any problems walking the road to the stop. If there is snow on the road they usually have a two hour delay anyway. Has anyone rode behind a school bus lately. They stop every 300 ft to drop off or pick up a kid. By the look of the high/jr high by my house there is very few kids that even ride the bus by the amount of mom/dad cars coming out of the school.

As far as taking a pet out in the morning they do make porch and spot lights. I sometimes see our neighbor's flashlight bobbing up the road when they walk their dog every morning before going to work.

I don't often see school kids but I know my Grandchildren have never gone to a bus stop without an adult. I remember walking in the snow ( yeah, I know ...uphill both ways ) in the dark , in a blizzard. Alone. Now my old neighborhood has a bus stop on the corner and one or two parents standing by. One mile is now too far to walk. Crybabies /S

"Kids KNOW when it's light out--curtains or not!!"

Sure. What difference does that make LOL?

High schoolers are walking to the bus by themselves. Our HS now starts later than it did, but it is more in line with start time fom my era. When we went to the bus in the dark. And Dh walking to the train, would be doing it in the dark.

Maybe the fashion industrty would come out with lines of winter ware, with reflective piping and attaching reflectors like they do in Scandinavia.

For my own part, I don’t care about the evening. In winter, it’s not outdoor weather in much of the country, so who cares if it is still light out at 7pm? But we are dealing with life at 7am, and it would be nice to have light.

I am still of the opinion that cutting that hour in half is the way to go but that is too simple a solution. As a PNW'er Standard time would work better but if all I can get is year around DST I will take it to avoid that twice yearly discombobulation. We would adapt.

I remember walking in the snow ( yeah, I know ...uphill both ways ) in the dark , in a blizzard.

Elizabeth, you and I must have gone to the same school!

I'd rather standard time become permanent. Makes sense. That's the way it was before they started screwing with things.

Roxol.......yes. That IS my school too.

I vote for no time change; I hate trying to adjust to a new time and my body never adjusts to DST. It will still get dark earlier here in the winter, just not as early as standard time, I guess. Aren't there some states that don't change the time ? I'd like to hear from people who live there about what time they use there, and how they like it.

When I last visited Arizona, it did not have DST, and so I believe the time was the same as Pacific DST.

Where I grew up in Texas, it did not get dark in December until 5:30 PM, and the length of days in the winter were not drastically different from summer. What I did not like about DST was that the drive-in theaters had to start an hour later during DST, but during the winter, they could start a bit earlier.

I would vote to keep standard time all year. With DST I have to wait until very late in the day to go in the pool because I have to stay out of the sun or else wear a lot of sunscreen.

Growing up in Calgary, AB I remember going to the drive-in theatre. It was a whole evening affair. They had a huge playground where the kids could go and play while the parents stayed in the cars playing Bingo. (My mother won a washing machine. It was light pink in colour)

The movies were advertised to start at dusk and that meant after 10:30 PM in the summer.

It was always fun as we got to wear our pyjamas there and stay up until after midnight.

Of course, in northern Alberta, much further north than Calgary, it would have been even later but I’ve only been to a couple of drive-ins here, a long time ago, and didn’t pay too much attention to the time as staying up past midnight was no longer a thrill. 🤠 I know we can golf well into the evening and pretty early in the morning once the dew is off the grass, though.

I’m not sure if we even have any drive-ins left.

roxsol. We have a drive in near us. It's the only one in the county. It doesn't have a playground like when we were young, but it is still fun. Especially when there is a gang of us going. The kids relax in the back of the SUVs and the adults sit in lawn chairs talking more than watching the kids movie. The movie usually starts 8-9. The time is staggered because there are 4 screens.

Ah, county not country Sorry, I need better glasses but, in my defense, that's an infrequently heard phrase for me. My intent was to edify, not insult. The only time I delete a comment is when it's wrong - I was wrong and will delete it. Thanks.

As for me, drive in theaters were fun as a kid (especially when in high school and with a date!) and handy as an adventure when we had a houseful of kids. We haven't been back since the kids were younger and still living with us.

We have a drive-in movie theatre on outer Cape Cod in Wellfleet. During weekends, and perhaps on Wednesdays, they have a big flea market during the daytime hours. Lots of good stuff (and junk) to be had. But, I would vote for DST. I like it dark in the morning and sunshine later in the day...

A little bit of north/south California trivia that I think many even here aren't aware of. In Southern California, what seagrass described as happening during the daytime on weekends at drive-ins is called a swapmeet. In Northern California, it's called a flea market. The change happens somewhere in the middle. At one rather little town on the Central Coast, Nipomo, it's called "Swapmeet and Flea Market".

Flea market at a drive in. What a good idea. I wish ours did that. I bet it would be well received.

Personally, I’d prefer standard time, but I don’t mind the time changes. I really don’t care for DST in winter.

Saw this Vox article today.

Source: WaPo

I wouldn't be happy in ND and not have the sun come up until after 9:30 a.m.

I would be in the 9:30 10:00 AM group. I would be a bear.

Washington Post says sleep experts prefer us to be on Standard Time as it's closer to our circadian rhythm. It wouldn't matter for me because I only work 3 days a week but it's not just me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/03/16/daylight-saving-bill-health-effects/