Hi All! I'm new herer but we're in the midst of buying a new gas range and was told there is a lot of sage advice to be found here. So here's our situation: We live in a loft with a fairly small kitchen. That's the bad news. We currently have a 30" Frigidaire Gallery freestanding range that's about 9 years old. Sealed burners, self cleaning oven, etc. We hate it. The display on the oven is so faint we're not sure what temperature the oven is set for, and due to the sealed burners we get a ring of fire when cooking with a wok and a big dead spot in the middle. So we're looking to replace. Ideal list of what we're looking for: - Open burners or multi-burner(s) that will heat evenly - Self cleaning oven - High output burner -- minimum 16K btu with Wok attachment (grate, ring, etc.) - Good oven settings; clear, bright digital or analog - Gas oven as we typically bake once a year, if at all - Convection Nice to haves: - Timer/delayed bake -- for those days we want to have slow cooked ribs ready when we get home - We like the glide-out shelves we've seen on Dacor or Electrolux ranges - Ceramic/Infrared broiler, though we can live with gas We like the slide-in design that we've seen, which has the slight lip that overhands the burner area on the sides. We don't like the little space that is there currently -- it seems food just loves to go down that crevice Limitations: - 30" space in counter -- small kitchen, so expansion is not possible. We've considered moving, but need a winning lottery ticket :o) - Microwave oven/hood, recirculating. Definitely not ideal, but with fast paced worklife during the week, having a microwave is a necessity. Allows us to eat quickly during the week. We don't have the counter space to move the microwave oven to the counter or a drawer - Currently no backsplash, though we are considering adding one regardless. Would prefer glass tile, but may opt for SS behind the range for protection So far we've looked at a bunch of things both Pro style and consumer. We like the following: Electrolux freestanding (EW3LGF65GS)-- almost all the features we like. Not sure of quality of build though, and will keep the little crevices on the sides Jenn-Air Slide-in (JGS8860BDP) -- likewise close, though no glide shelves but has the slide-in overhang Dacor (ER30G) -- Love the product, no timer though Dacor (ER30D) -- Dual Fuel, has neat gadget/tilt-out display (yes, I'm a geek!) BlueStar (30 RNB or RCS) -- no timers, not sure about the racks So I think it comes down to limitations -- the pro-style have the heating elements I desire but I'm wary of the limited airflow of our piddly little micro-hood. My leaning right now: Do the backsplash Go with Electrolux or Jenn-air, as the lower heat output will be less likely to overload the limited ventilation. While I love the pro-style ranges, I don't think they would be able to work in the small kitchen Glide-out shelves may be an aftermarket option, or an option on newer models this year. Or we can just grease our existing racks more often Your thoughts?

Getting a double oven range shouldn't interfere with Thanksgiving at all, especially if you get a model with the smaller oven up top. All you're losing is the storage/warming drawer at the bottom, so the big oven will be the same or similar size as in a regular range. I like how Whirlpool gas ranges use spark ignition, as reliability is better in the long term than the hot surface ignitors other brands use. On the other hand, a lot of the Whirlpools are now only coming with the Aqualift self cleaning system, which has gotten negative reviews.

I struggle to give credibility to any one that can't substantiate their claim with a photo OK, here's the problem with this. Nobody really cares whether you "give them credibility", whether you believe their experience is true or not, or whether you believe Wolf chipping is an issue or not. Certainly not enough to go digging through their hard drive looking for a picture to post just for you. Particularly since your posts frankly seemed a bit rude. I understand you may not have meant them to come off that way, but they did. Maybe if you'd asked in a different way, you would have gotten pictures. Such as "I'm wondering what the chipping looks like and what areas it tends to happen in. Would you mind posting a picture?" instead of "I think you're lying. Prove me wrong with a picture." All people are trying to do here is share their experiences, and then let others make their own buying decisions based on that information. Most new posters who join these forums and ask questions are pretty trusting, because spammers and people with conflicts of interest generally don't last very long here. If someone replies to a question with their genuine experience with a product, good or bad, the original poster may ask them follow up questions to get more details or clarify things - but since they're grateful for the time that person took to write their responses, they aren't going to thank them by grilling them for evidence that they actually own the product or have/have not had issues. If you don't find the information relevant to you, and want to believe that we're biased against Wolf, are "fear mongering", and that a company like that would NEVER allow something like this to happen, etc. Then go ahead! Nobody is trying to stop you from thinking that, and it's no skin off anyone's back that you bought a Wolf and like it (many people here were in that same boat at one point!). But when you then basically accuse people of making up stories about problems and being too stupid to use an oven properly without the enamel flaking off - you can expect a response. Still, of course it's a public site that anyone can join, and people with agendas occasionally make their way onto it. However, if someone is suspicious of a member, it's usually super easy to spot those people by giving their profile a quick glance. If they just joined the forum, and all their posts are strongly positive or negative about a particular product or service, chances are there's something fishy going on. However, if they have been posting here for years about a great variety of different topics, they probably know what they're talking about and are just trying to help. And, another way to spot someone genuine is to see if their opinions change over time! Again, most of the people here who criticize Wolf about this issue had nothing but good things to say about their ovens before they ran into trouble, and that can be verified by looking at their posting history. Complaining about a product failure 2.5 years after warranty expiration is not terribly reasonable In most cases, I would agree with this. Stuff happens. If something like an ignitor or even a control board happens to go bad not too long after the warranty expires, it may not be the most fun situation to be in, but it could have just as easily happened if you'd bought a different brand, and engaging in online tirades against the manufacturer would not be the most productive thing to do. Just suck it up, fix it, and move on with life. However, replacing an oven liner isn't like replacing an ignitor or a control board. It's the equivalent of performing open heart surgery on a range. The fact that it is more economical in most cases for the manufacturer to replace rather than repair is very telling. And when there seems to be a pattern of the issue happening to more than just 1 or 2 people - it's concerning, and I would argue complaining about it is quite reasonable. Wolf seems to recognize this as well, and although they won't admit that the chipping can actually be a safety hazard, or that it is a widespread problem - they have been known to confess on the phone that it is a recurring issue. In the first "problem" link above I see an oven that was repaired to the satisfaction of the owner, much to the dismay of some. Well, this particular oven was still in warranty, so of course it was repaired to the satisfaction of the owner. It better have been! There has never been any question about Wolf being willing to honor their warranty. They have been said by many to be polite and efficient when dealing with warranty repairs or replacements. The questions start to arise after the warranty expires. Like any manufacturer, Wolf is not obligated to do any goodwill repairs or replacements out of warranty. However, due to the price premium they charge and the advertising they do, people expect more out of them than other manufacturers. In many cases, they have lived up to this expectation, like in the links I gave. Promptly replacing products, in or out of warranty, and after several replacements, if there was still chipping, buying back the oven without resistance or fighting. But the problem is that they are inconsistent. In other cases, they have unfortunately not lived up to it, like in the cases of wekick and the Kails. Both were left with unusable products in under 10 years of use (under 5 years in the case of wekick) with no option to sell back their ovens, or repair without spending thousands with no guarantee it wouldn't happen again. When there are that many reports of this exact same issue happening (and evidently countless other incidents out there that didn't make it onto the internet or didn't even get noticed by the owner), that doesn't seem fair. In the third link I see an actual problem that's from metal fatigue. Does that really matter? I have used self clean ovens of various brands for decades and never run into any issues with the cavity becoming damaged. Besides, the Wolf chipping has been reported in units that have not had self clean run even once. That was her third oven, and the two before it had met the same fate. After three defective ovens in less than a year, can you blame someone for not wanting to try another? Yes, this was one of the cases where Wolf did the right thing, but again, with so many failures that early on, they kind of had to.

Thank you for asking. I've owned both the Samsung slide-in gas range and cabinet depth refrigerator for approx. 3 months, and must say I love them. The slide-in range has exceeded my expectations. I love the two front power burners and the oven bakes and broils very well. I'm least excited about the 5th burner griddle, which I don't use it much, but still glad to have. Only wish it had more than 10.5 btus, as then I could really grill a steak. I also haven't used the warming drawer, which was a must have, but now find I don't need. I almost didn't buy this stove since there is a strip of rubber in between the range top and the front panel which I worried might wear out, but find its a non-issue. Regarding the fridge, its shallow like any other cabinet depth fridge. The first or 2nd day of operation, it started making a loud whirring sound - so I was certain it needed to be returned, but now think it may have been undergoing a warm-up period and is fairly quiet. I like the alarm that goes off when the doors are left open, and I also like the meat and cheese drawers. I was uncertain about the bottom freezer but find I like it. We did buy insurance on both appliances. Overall for the price, these excellent appliances. LMK if you have any specific questions and I will do my best to answer.