Thank you for posting the video. I will share it with several acquaintances who are waiting for the "best" vaccine.

Excellent!

I tried to post a harmless vaccine related topic and it never showed up either. I figured this is a forbidden topic.

Thank you, great explanation.

Thanks!

Well done. I agree, no one cares about getting sick per se, people care about rates of hospitalization and death.

Good news today, as one would expect, vaxxed people apparently do not transmit COVID.

Thanks! That was great information!

This was excellent. Thank you for sharing.

Information with the right perspective - great video.

Thank you for sharing - such a critical, clear and concise explanation.

Interesting, but all else being equal I'd still rather have Pfizer or Moderna. I didn't see J&J even being offered at any of the locations listed on the Missouri website when I made my appointment.

I'm getting my first Pfizer vaccine tomorrow. Yay!

They completely missed the major difference; how they are made, mRNA or viral vector.

Simple video explanation of mRNA vaccines. https://twitter.com/hotvickkrishna/status/1374481410421968909?s=19

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

Thanks Mdln! I will look into your links. I have no understanding of, say, the difference in the viral vector of JJ and the RNA of Pfizer.

Good news today, as one would expect, vaxxed people apparently do not transmit COVID.

Hi Mtn. Can you let us know the source for this? I've not been able to find it and would love to see where it came from as all I am finding is conflicting information.

Thanks

@MtnRdRedux yes, please. Where did you hear/read that?

Thank you for this

Hi,

I saw it a number of places in yesterday's news, including the NYT. I just googled it now and got this, too:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/03/29/cdc-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccines-could-significantly-cut-down-on-coronavirus-transmission/?sh=41bc724816bf

Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are “highly effective” in preventing both coronavirus infections and transmissions, according to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released Monday, findings that offer hope as millions of Americans continue to be vaccinated every day.

Mtn, I just finished reading this article about the first vaccine and saw it was in the last paragraph of your link.

First shot highly effective, Moderna-Pfizer

I find it highly confusing when articles like this seem to state that the shots protect from all strains then another article will be posted stating the English and Brazilian strains are of concern because the shots do not provide protection from them.

I haven't seen any articles that say that the current vaccines provide NO protection against the variants - but I have read that their effectiveness is diminished against the variants.

Agree - current jabs provide decent protection from the currently prevalent variants. It is a continuously evolving situation however

I'm with LoneJack-husband and I have been laughing at me because I'm still of the 'I want the best percentage' vaccine mindset. As I often tell him, don't try to confuse me with facts :)

I'm clearly in the minority which is probably for the best. I follow a regional COVID FB page and J&J is by far the most requested vaccine.

In the end, protecting against hospitalization and death is of course the priority. But I'm still secretly glad I ended up a Pfizer girl!

When might we know how long any of the current vaccines continues to protect, and to protect against 'standard' Covid-19 and/or any known variants?

I was surprised to see how quickly antibodies disappeared from people who had been diagnosed with Covid-19. (I believe that came up when blood was being drawn from recovered patients to aid others.) Evidently *having* Covid-19 doesn't confer as much protection as a vaccine. (Right?)

I think that doctor’s shelf is beautiful!!! Let’s de-fang this thing.

chisue the answer is that they do not know but from my reading it appears each individual is different. There are just too many unknown things with this virus for me to feel comfortable about making future plans for this year and perhaps even next.

We are trying to stop the virus from replicating wildly in a large population. That's how viruses evolve in a whole variety of ways. We have to stay one step ahead of the enemy if we want to win the war (standard problem-solving protocol). All hands on deck, get this thing done asap!

I would probably be more optimistic if I had not had the long form measles twice about ten years apart along with the various reports of people having the virus twice. While I hope the vaccinations stop it too many are not planning on getting any.

Chisue, the immunity from "having" had Covid ultimately lies in T cells-not antibodies. Antibodies aren't the end-all-be all. The immunologist doctors I have been following for months show this evidence. CDC is JUST NOW releasing the some of the data about vaccines and spreading, etc. that doctors I follow have been saying for months. Unfortunately, you will have to research on your own, like I did, to find the truth-faster. CDC is way behind on data.

Like all major, reputable universities and scientific institutes the CDC does not release data until there is enough of it to be meaningful and reliable. That’s not always true of doctors who release information as it is generated, without meaningful interpretation, to the general public instead of going through peer reviewed boards and journals. It’s even less true of “celebrity” doctors who are more concerned with amassing followers than anything else.

True, kswl about CDC not releasing data until THEY FEEL they have enough to go public. But, they don't really go out and seek studies from doctors like they should. They want to keep the public in fear. For instance, a certain "celebrity" CDC person still saying you have to wear masks AFTER you are fully vaccinated. What??? At this point, it is fear mongering and control. And, guess what? It has worked for those who don't do the research themselves. Don't get me wrong, the doctors and research I read, did say to wear masks, until you are fully vaccinated. And, that it is just polite (not a necessity) to wear one now, until we have more people vaccinated and have reached herd immunity-which is the end goal.

I sometimes watch John Campbell since he seems to aggregate data from reputable sources and helps explain in easy to understand terms.

But I also occasionally try (poor eyesight) to read cdc(dot)gov.

The CDC states the mRNA vaccines not only produce antibodies but stimulate the production of T-Cells:

"Mechanism for Action

mRNA vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA inside a
special coating. That coating protects the mRNA from enzymes in the body
that would otherwise break it down. It also helps the mRNA enter the
dendritic cells and macrophages in the lymph node near the vaccination
site.

mRNA can most easily be described as instructions for the cell on how
to make a piece of the “spike protein” that is unique to SARS-CoV-2.
Since only part of the protein is made, it does not do any harm to the
person vaccinated but it is antigenic.

After the piece of the spike protein is made, the cell breaks down
the mRNA strand and disposes of them using enzymes in the cell. It is
important to note that the mRNA strand never enters the cell’s nucleus
or affects genetic material. This information helps counter
misinformation about how mRNA vaccines alter or modify someone’s genetic
makeup.

Once displayed on the cell surface, the protein or antigen causes the
immune system to begin producing antibodies and activating T-cells to
fight off what it thinks is an infection. These antibodies are specific
to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which means the immune system is primed to
protect against future infection."

(source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html)

Of course Covid19 also produces T-Cells but along with that comes the risk of dying (for some more than others), or possibly unwittingly passing it on to someone else who is immune compromised and dies.

I'm thankful for the vaccine. :)

Olliiesmom, it is really better not to repeat things when you have no idea what you are talking about.

I’ve never seen so many people willing to be lab rats for an unproven /NOT approved drug SMH.
This virus has over a 90% survival rate - you’d think yall didn’t have immune systems

Yes - statistically, I have a great chance of survival should I get this virus. However, by vaccinating myself my hope is that I would not pass it to someone who may not have such good odds. A vaccination is not all about the individual receiving it.

There is a sad lack of knowledge about public health evident everywhere in the United States today.

"This virus has over a 90% survival rate - you’d think yall didn’t have immune systems"

Yeah, just a 10% non-survival rate, which would be over 30 million dead in the US, no big deal.

karen

Don't shake it too hard, you may have a screw or 2 loose already!

It's been over 6 months since the first Pfizer and Moderna trials and so far I am comfortable with the known risks and reported side affects of the vaccines. Do we know everything at this point? No, but I'm willing to do my small part if it helps society get back to some sort of normalcy and we can stop wearing the stupid masks.

I had to wait in a line outside at the DMV on Friday in near 80 degree temps and the mask was hampering my breathing a bit. I had to drop it below my nose a few times to catch some fresh air. I can't imagine what it would be like in mid summer 90F+ heat. I'm ready for the mask mandates to end.

I get my second Pfizer jab on the 27th and looking forward to it.

I found it interesting the guy behind me in line had driven over 100 miles to get his 16 year old daughter vaxed. In 3 weeks he'll have to make "the-road-trip" again for the 2nd vax.

I know that if I got Covid I would probably die so I’m happy to take my chances with the vaccine. And, as stated, I take it not just for myself but for my loved ones, friends and society—that I don’t pass it to someone else and so that we all can get back to normal sooner rather than later.

My brother had a 35+ year career in regulatory affairs (getting a drug approved by the FDA) for numerous pharmaceutical companies, which is a very long and rigorous process normally. My understanding is that the current vaccines are based on long-standing models and that is why they were approved quickly—-they weren’t starting from scratch as is typical with most new drugs. Any early skepticism I might have had about the vaccines was erased when my brother, a scientist, told me to get it as soon as I could. I am fully vaccinated with Pfizer and he is also with Moderna.

Seems a lot of people don’t understand why we don't see smallpox, polio, etc. anymore.

Weren’t they saying to continue to wear a mask after being fully vaccinated because they weren’t certain a vaccinated person couldn’t still get or transmit the disease? Makes perfect sense. It’s all so new they don’t have all the answers yet and are doing studies to find these things out and releasing new info when they have determined things are safe—-it is not fear mongering, or an attempt to scare or control people. It‘s called good science and good public health practices.

Just an FYI for those who are touting the 90% survival rate. That only means you did not die it does not mean you are not left with health problems as an after affect. As I have mentioned before my husband's cardiologist mentioned my husband's cardiomyopathy was probably caused by a virus infection in the past and it was one of the most common causes. The virus weakens the muscles causing the heart to grow larger. The heart is not a muscle that any amount of exercise can strengthen. Then there are the immediate after affects of what is being called "Long Covid". Yes the people survived but at what cost to them, their families, and society as they become one of the drains on society as some like to consider those who while looking healthy can no long work and contribute in a manner that people think they should,

Nicole if I would take the highways around this city to reach the other side since I am not a bird it would be a longer trip than 100 miles. It was 129 miles one way to the hospital my husband was in so I know the distance from my house. The father is doing what he considers best for his daughter and should be applauded.

I found it interesting the guy behind me in line had driven over 100 miles to get his 16 year old daughter vaxed. In 3 weeks he'll have to make "the-road-trip" again for the 2nd vax.

Nicole, that isn't uncommon here. (The Italics box seems to be stuck.)

LoneJack,
It’s “KARIN” so maybe your screws are loose you can’t even read and copy what you see.
We never had a mask mandate where I live and guess what people aren’t dropping like flies. Masks actually cause more problems then resolve but you do you!
I won’t be getting any jabs ...

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

Jooanie0- EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) doesn’t mean the jabs are FDA approved (either your brother is a fool or you misunderstood him). The trials that you’re now a lab rat for don’t end for a minimum of 2 years (depending on manufacturer)
Also a vaccine by definition provides immunity - none of these provide immunity but LESSEN symptoms. (Source: papers submitted to FDA are here https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine )

Seems you and your brother are a bit clueless but hey did you get your free donut from Krispy Kreme for getting the jab LOL

Keep thinking that way if it makes you feel better but if you actually read the deaths from the virus are considered to be under reported.

I should feel sorry for the deniers that there is a health crisis but at this point as the number of infected and dying are increasing I find it very hard and nearly impossible to even feel sorry for them.

"commonly known"? I don't understand your callous attitude; but obviously you have not lost someone you love to Covid. There are those of us here who have.

LMAO

Are you for real, laughing during this discussion of COVID and death?

Whatever Karin is, its ignorance is pitiable. Memes from Facebook... that says it all.

My husband received his first pfizer shot on Saturday. Sore arm at injection site, but other than that, he was fine. Not sure exactly when he will get dose #2. I am 61 and have 0 underlying health conditions and no longer work so I'm at the bottom of the list for getting my vaccination. And everyone and their dog is yelling at the provincial government because they work with the public and want theirs now. Basically what they're saying is, "I'm more important than the guy over there". Even though YES, you're a firefighter, but a teacher is also important, and so is that cashier. Either way for me, I'm in no rush. I'll wait patiently. I do want the pfizer one as well, which is why we chose the pharmacy I used to work in: it's all they have.

Now I need to read through the comments because it sounds like someone with a tin foil hat was giving her opinions? This should make for some good reading..

Oh, and Karin K, you really need to stop reading FB Memes and YouTubers who get their information from other YouTubers and start reading a science book or two and listen to actual scientists who actually went to University and not some guy who sits in his grandmother basement, rent free, while posting nonsense on YouTube. The most dangerous person out there is someone who starts a conspiracy theory. They're so easy to create and so brainwashing that those who read and hear about them actually think they're true. Now I'm sure you'll come back with me believing a scientist. YES. Why? THEY STUDY THIS STUFF! In a lab. Not YouTube and Facebook.