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Comments (150)I had read the comments from the Tea Bag ladies, but will go back to one of the first questions I asked about 'Francis Dubreuil', when this thread first began to drift from its original topic: Was the original 'Francis Dubreuil' a "true Tea", or was he a "Hybrid Tea"? Or was he that other thing, a "Tea hybrid"? The earliest descriptions of FD say his color was a dark red with pink or cerise or amaranth highlights. My assumption is that 'FD' was darker than other red Teas, but would not have looked terribly out of place hanging out with other reds such as 'Gen Gallieni', 'M. Tillier', 'Souv. de David d'Angers', 'Mlle Christine de Nouë', ''Corallina', 'Safrano a Fleurs Rouges', 'Princesse de Sagan', 'Bardou Job' and- of course- 'Souv de Therese Levet'. Here's a 1901 review from a German rose reviewer about Francis: "Francis Dubreuil (Dubreuil 1895) is not only one of the most excellent red Tea roses but also one of the best Tea roses of all. The flower is in fact only of medium size, and sometimes even small, but keeps extremely well. It lasts In bud form for a very long time, and is then at its most beautiful. The growth is vigorous and the crown is well branched. What I like most about this rose, is its capacity to produce solitary flowers on long, upright stems, I do not like roses in flower umbels (in clusters). Its floriferousness (flowering period) is very long, it lasts right up to the frosts." That mention of "solitary flowers on long, upright stems" makes me think we might find some HP ancestry in Francis' background, no? And it accords well with other early mentions of FD having "diffuse growth"... Here's an early discrepancy, though; the review above says 'FD' "lasts in bud form for a very long time, and is then at its most beautiful". Contrast that with an earlier British review- Francis "is described as full flower of a fine form, opening very readily, perhaps too much so"... So if Francis was dark red and had diffuse growth, he seems to be quacking like an early HT, and not a "pure Tea"? Was he classified as a Tea because of his fragrance? According to Guillot, 'FD' is descended from 'Souv de David d'Angers' (described as "deliciously fragrant" in 1864) who is in turn descended from 'Caroline', the Tea that may be synonymous with 'Bermuda Spice'. Some early reviews of 'FD' say he is fragrant, most say nothing, and at least one reviewer says "not fragrant". This assortment of varying opinions shouldn't be surprising, given humans' different capacities for smell, and given the way odors can vary according to temperature, time of day, etc. The scent of Tea roses seems to be especially elusive, and elicits a confusion of descriptions, so I'm inclined to believe that the original Francis probably had a Tea scent and was fragrant to some people and not to others. However, I think it's also possible that if there were an early confusion with at least one grower offering a different rose as 'Francis D', the differences in opinion about form and fragrance could stem from an early switcheroo. Just because there was a later mix-up with 'Barcelona' doesn't mean there wasn't also an earlier mix-up somewheres down the line. And if there were an earlier misidentification, this early imposter might be the rose that was later sent from Sangerhausen to Oz in 1981? Another question I have relates to size. The Tea rose grown by Mr Knight just outside of Sydney was a large rose bush. The roses grown in the U.S. and Oz as FD today both seem to be more compact and HT-like (although the Aussie plant that hails from Sangerhausen seems to have a earlier HT look than 'Barcelona' does?) I'm trying to get things straight in my own head, so if I'm off-course in my suppositions, please get me back on track. Virginia...See MoreGrowing native seedlings plugs & cold-stratification
Comments (3)That could work. I'll share my thought/experience in case it could be of some use to you or anyone else who visits this forum. One option would be to sow seeds in a small raised bed over the winter and then transplant the seedlings as they come up in the spring into the plug trays or directly where you want them to grow. Personally I like to start seeds in a flat or directly in the garden and then move the seedlings to pots as I get more uniform results that way. When starting the seeds in plugs you can end up with a lot of empty cells if the germination rate is low. With flats you can sow hundreds of seeds and only keep the ones you need. I have had a few species where only 1-5% were viable, so if they had been started in cells or pots it would have been a bust. Most grasses can be kept dry in the fridge until ready to plant out in the spring or early summer. For some species germination rates may be a little higher if given cold stratification and some like sweet grass require it. Wrapping them up and putting them in the shed might be problematic if the seeds start germinating early. I start a lot of native seeds indoors in pots for planting out in the spring. I do the stratification on moistened paper towel placed in little clear plastic bags and put those in the crisper. After 60 days or so I check them occasionally for germination. If the seed is really small it can be difficult to get them off the paper towel but it can be done with a spray bottle onto a white plate (so you can see them). This year I had seeds stratifying through late spring and planted some out directly. Some of the species that prefer full sun perform best if sown directly into the garden....See MoreWhat I have learned Growing Natives
Comments (3)Thanks Emma, always good advice. I always plant natives, and everything else with a diluted (recommended dose) of seaweed extract too - Seasol, I use. Helps give them a good start....See MoreHelp growing native FL milkweed.
Comments (8)From what I read around the internet, it makes the Monarchs stay because they have food in the winter time. Here are some pros and cons, http://monarchbutterflygarden.net/is-tropical-milkweed-killing-monarch-butterflies/. I don't know if I have the patience or the time to put the seeds in the freezer for 2 or more months. I probably can do the 2 weeks. I have some tropical planted now, about 1 to 2 inches, and I bought some at HomeDepo and Galloway, but for the amount of Monarchs I get, the 10 plants I got is not going to be enough. I also got 1 big and 2 medium of the swan milkweed, which they eat already, and a giant milkweed that's not too big now. The tropical milkweed we just throw in soil and it comes up, never did anything to it. Now I'm reading the directions on the back of some seeds I bought, it says, soak seeds in hot water for 24 hours, then sow seeds on soil surface at 70f and water. That I can do now, need to have more seedlings going. every time I go get a plant, it's 4 to 5 dollars each for smaller ones, and more if they're bigger ones. The swan milkweed I got seeds, and the instructions are the same. Going to put them in water now....See More- 4 years ago
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