Suggestions for compact and fragrant?
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3 years agoLauraLG Z5b-NwPA
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Comments (29)funnthsun, I'm puzzled over your comment about bulbs that won't overwinter and must be dug up, particularly tulips. I'm also in USDA Zone 7, coastal NJ, and all manner of bulbs do just fine here (excepting the tender ones like glads, amaryllis and canna, of course, though some people claim to have overwintered the latter two in protected locations with a good mulch). My tulips keep coming back year after year. My dad and I had a running joke about it because he kept throwing his away each year thinking they'd never bloom again. So I asked him to please throw the next bunch my way. He did. I planted. Next spring he asked about the beautiful tulips at the end of the drive ... my reply? "What tulips, you know those won't come back." He'd laugh and shrug his shoulders. It became a spring ritual. Galanthus, chionodoxa, squill, camassia, tulips, daffodils of all sorts, muscari, allium, lilies, fritillaria (checkered lily), lycoris ... all come back year after year without being lifted or given any other special attention. Sorry to hear the reviews on the lithodora 'Grace Ward', as I just fell in love with the evergreen foliage and awesome blue flowers and had to try one. Will place it in my sandy soil where it will get good morning sun, then dappled shade from around 11:00 on, and hope for the best; there's not much one can do about the humidity. I wish could tell you which pulmonaria I have: neat, compact habit and that same Grace Ward blue, but it only gets a few hours of morning sun, so may not be right for your needs. What a delightful selection of blues your post has brought forth! Hope you find one that works for your taste and situation....See MoreNeed plant suggestion-compact, fragrant easier than gardenias
Comments (9)Gigi, I'm not the expert here, but do know that generally, if you want to put Camillias on the corners of the porch in your photo, you are gong to have to get further away from the porch. Most of these plants get pretty large. Generally speaking, Camellas are wininterish bloomers. Japonicas are springish bloomers, and Sesanquas are generally fallish bloomers. Crosses with Camellia and Japonica are usually winterspring bloomers, and most all of the Camellia Sesanquas are fall bloomers. If you are planning to cut the trees to expose the limbs under the cover, you will need to let the bushes get at least as large as the minimum size you want the finished plant to be. That way the limb structure will be established and you will know which to cut and which to leave. After the cut you will have to keep any little suckers picked off until the bush decides you really mean business about leaving its lower branches bare. It will continue to grow in height, and the drip line will continue to expand, so you will need clearance from the house. Here's a photo of two Sesanquas in my front yard that I cut may years ago. We have folks drive down our dead end street to see them when they are in bloom. I have flood lights under each to shine up into the canopy at night, It makes a right pretty show. Bil...See Moresuggestions for compact rose, peony type or like Just Joey
Comments (72)Natasha, haven't yet used the Tumax to create a trellis. Ran across these 20 years ago, found the idea intriguing & picked up a kit for a few dollars. Would think the structural strength would relate to the diameter gauge of the wire selected & the number of anchors used as support. Expect one of the multi-strand twisted or braided cable wires - in place of the galvanized wire roll that comes with the kit - would be much stronger & bear the weight of a mature rose. Since the wire is threaded through the loops that project from the anchors, would think how closely those anchors are spaced also figures into a weight capacity calculation. The tensile strength of the wire plus the number of anchors used along the line should yield a rule of thumb where the weight is distributed evenly along the span. Tumax may have this info with their professional kit instructions on their site - you might noodle around there to find it - or just contact them & ask for their load weight formula. Have used the anchors alone, without wires, as free form supports on a stone facade. Install them on the wall where they're needed as the rose grows & loosely figure eight tie the canes to the anchor eyelet. The anchors are hidden behind the plant. Gives a pleasant natural effect to my eye, as if the rose is doing it all by itself. (Look Ma, no hands!) To allow sufficient space between the wall & the plant, often add another ring or length of rubbery plastic chain onto the eyelet & tie to that as the canes thicken, allowing me to use those spongy noodle ties or green velcro loops. Lenarufus, Nahema is a beauty with toe-curling fragrance. Your wall coloring sets her off to perfection. New here this year as a gallon own root, she's a real charmer. Good growing to all! Sue...See MoreSuggestions for a compact rose bush
Comments (10)Hey Sara Ann, I've been trying to think of a small rose that's not white or light pink...harder than you would think to come up with any suggestions. Intrigue would look great with those you already have in that area, but boy does it black spot here....same with Ebb Tide. Only my second season with Valencia...so far seems like it will stay compact, but not sure its color would work with your others. Heart o' Gold and Eternal Flame are both very tall here, but also very narrow if you have width, but not height restraints. Dame de Coeur was new for me this year, but supposedly doesn't get too big. It's a great bloomer and very healthy so far. Starts out a bright red that might be a bit much for the others, but then takes on a dark, sultry look. Francis Dubreuil/Barcelona is a good bloomer, stays compact, is a beautiful, dark crimson/purple and wonderfully fragrant. Second year with the Austin, Molineux, and think it will stay compact. Lady Emma Hamilton isn't too big either, but may be too orangey. One that I'm excited about, but brand new to me this fall, is Delightful Phyllis sold by Chamblee's. I haven't seen a bloom yet, but it's supposed to be a compact, healthy, fragrant rose with the coloring of Peace....See MoreLauraLG Z5b-NwPA
3 years ago
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
3 years agoI am always looking for short roses so off the top of my head
Our Lady of Guadalupe, pink
Frida Kahlo, orange/salmon stripe
Marc chigall, pink/yellow
Easy Does it, goes anywhere from pinky orange to dark orange
Bordeaux, red
Cinco de Mayo, rust color with purple undertones.
Hope that helps
Marc chigall
Frida Kahlo
Easy does it
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joeywyomingzone4
3 years agoMountain Music is supposed to stay pretty short (under 3 feet, and only 18" wide) and it is beautifully fragrant, even with such a young plant I can smell it just walking past. It's also extremely hardy for me.
LauraLG Z5b-NwPA
3 years agoKristine LeGault 8a pnw
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Diane Brakefield
3 years agoVaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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cyndita (west coast zone 9)
3 years agoI was also going to suggest Tamora! The fragrance of mine is definitely both strong & distinctly myrrh - I also didn’t know what that smelled like, but once you smell it you recognize it. I would describe it as an earthy herbal fragrance - while I personally like the old rose fragrances best, I’ve grown to really appreciate the uniqueness of the myrrh fragrance - it makes the rose even more interesting. Full disclosure that Tamora is also thorny, but that can help keep critters out of it...
A few recent pictures - it starts out a deeper apricot color, and fades to a light peach:
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strawchicago z5
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoThe problem with zone 5 winter: we have 7 months of zero rain in winter, then flood in spring (3" of rain per day), then dry summer months alternate with heavy rain, esp. in fall. Roses on a DEEP & LONG Dr.Huey-rootstock can't handle being soaked in acidic rain water, pH 4.5. Dr. Huey was bred in dry & alkaline CA. Now I understand why Jim in PA, zone 6 only grow own-root roses, and he researched carefully on roses that can handle heavy rain & flood.
About Tamora: it's best in alkaline & fast-draining soil. Nearby zone 5 rose park with alkaline clay had Tamora (grafted-on-Dr.Huey) ... it black spotted badly in heavy rain. Plus the myrrh scent is gone during heavy rain (more than 1" per day). Tamora and Queen Nefertiti (its child) are both thorny, and my experience with thorny roses: they like FAST-DRAINING SOIL, tend to black spot in slow-drainage clay and heavy rain.
In contrast, LOW-THORN roses can tolerate flooding and soaking-wet & poor drainage clay better .. such as almost thornless Twilight zone, that can take tons of rain without diseases & compact & plus a wafting scent 4 feet away. Glossy foliage like Pat Austin also can take poor-drainage and flooding .. Pat is compact in my zone 5, amazing scent of mango and nectarine. Pat is a water-hog. Munstead Wood is also compact AS OWN-ROOT with wafting scent.
Dr.Huey-rootstock (A LONG & DEEP STICK) needs fast drainage and doesn't like acidic rain in slow-drainage clay. Own-roots or multiflora-rootstock are more cluster-shallow root and can take flooding & heavy rain better. Also for compactness, own-root is best. My Jude the Obscure was 2' x 1' as own-root, versus rose park's Jude-grafted-on-Dr.Huey was over 7 feet tall & same with their Abraham Darby.
Below is Tamora at rose park with alkaline clay ... I won't post the pic. of its dropping all leaves due to blackspots in our heavy rain (more than 1" per day):
Twilight zone as 4th-year-own-root in my zone 5 garden, next to a rain spout & only 4 hrs. of sun, always healthy. Like Bolero, I can smell the old-rose scent many feet away:
Below is 10-year-own-root Pat Austin, amazing mango and nectarine scent, loves tons of rain, bloom lots in only 4 hrs. of sun:
Munstead Wood is very compact, with amazing scent that floats in the air (much stronger & better scent than Bolero). With winter-kill in zone 5, the bush is more slender & compact than below pic. as 6th-year-own-root.
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3 years agoDiane Brakefield
3 years agoLaura, I bought Tamora from the now defunct Pickering Nursery in Canada. She is grafted on multiflora, which proves to me that multiflora rootstock does just fine in alkaline soil (I have lots more roses on this rootstock doing well). I believe David Austin Roses still sells Tamora. Check their website. I realize you are in zone 5, and Munstead Wood may be compact where you live, but MW is not a compact grower in lots of places. Diane
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3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoI posted evaluation of my 30 Austin roses (only 1 grafted) in Yogi's thread on cold-climate roses, see below link. Some Austins can't take HEAVY ACIDIC RAIN, over 1 inch. per day in my Chicagoland nor spring flood ... even if I spent 1 hour digging per hole for fast drainage.
From the web: "Acid rain over the Great Lakes has a pH of about 4.5 while acid rain over the West Coast has a pH of about 5.4." Below is a map of pH of rain across USA, most acidic in the East coast and mid-west:
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
3 years agoI want to add Frida Kahlo to the list of short non stop bloomers .
She is going crazy with bloons. What a cute rose
On my new rose she has about 20 blooms and as many
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