suggestions for compact rose, peony type or like Just Joey
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Just Joey or Marilyn Monroe?
Comments (8)Stross, I live right here in N.O. I have grown Just Joey but not Marilyn Monroe. At one point I considered JJ my favorite rose; the ruffled petals are unique, the fragrance good, and the subtle blending of shades of apricot(actually sherbet orange to me) beautiful. But...I was never satisfied with the amount of blooms I got nor the wait time between flushes. Also, JJ blooms did much better in the cool months than our hot humid summers, when they didn't last more than 2 days. MM on the other hand is reportedly a hot climate rose. Related to St. Patrick, which I do know about and which loves it here. JJ and MM are actually different colors, though. And JJ is much more compact. If you go with JJ, I'd urge you to try to find it on fortuniana rootstock, perhaps Jim Mills in Buckatuna, MS? He specializes in fortuniana. Or one of the Florida nurseries. It will be a much more vigorous plant for you if you do. If you're open to other suggestions, I've actually replaced my JJ with the Buck rose Prairie Sunrise. It is very close in color, a different bloom form and only average diameter, but just as great a fruity fragrance, a nice, full, old fashioned bloom form, and on a compact bush, even smaller than JJ but bushy and attractive. This rose blooms much better for me. An alternative to Marilyn Monroe might be Special Occasion, which is gorgeous, a more manageable size plant, and, I think, much less thorny. You can check it out at the Heirloom roses site, though I'm sure some other vendors also sell it. My absolute favorite apricot cutting rose is the HT Valencia, which is healthy and a respectible bloomer here. The blooms hold very very well and are really big; unique vanilla/rose fragrance, too. But it's actually golden apricot, with virtually no pink tones. And the plant is leggy and a bit sprawling; not as huge as MM but just not a bushy landscape plant form....See MoreJustJoeyGirl-advice wanted please!
Comments (8)Hi southshoregardener! First thank you for the kind words. Your garden is going to be just beautiful. I absolutely love your location, and the view from the patio..outstanding. My first thought might be: Does the path of the moon shine in that area? I know that my white garden in under the canopy of high trees and the moonlight doesn't hit it directly. That is ok, just a different effect. No matter where you plant yours, it will be lovely by day and magical by evening..the flowers hover at dusk. I really like your choices for plants..nice to see you've included a variety of types and bloom time..excellent. I think you are going to be happy with your choices. I was going to suggest a few things, but I see you've already included them. I recently added hosta to mine. I added Loyalist, which is white with deep green edging, or green edged with a white center...depending on how you look at it...ha ha ha. I wanted to add an Aphrodite to it...I love the flowers and the scent, but decided to keep Aphrodite in another garden, simpley because the foliage is big, beautiful and GREEN. I wanted more white in there. As it is, I will be removing the bayberry shrubs I have in mine. I love the scent and the berries, but, it is just too green. I could suggest other bulbs, or perennials, but in reality it is what you like, and it looks like you have some wonderful plants, and know what you like. I think it is good to include shrubs, bulbs, perennials annuals and vines. I am not much into the garden art...but I do have a bird bath that is white. As far as design, I didn't follow any plan, and change things that don't work out the way I like. Mostly taller in back of shorter..since my garden is an island, I try for taller around the three 'points' as anchors, and tall in the middle. I grow vines up through the shrubs like clematis and moonflowers. My garden has both full sun and a lot of shade too, so I am lucky I can grow many things, as you will see you can too. I try to put darker foliage near lighter and behind the white blooms, I try to use different leaf types for contrast. I really don't have much advice, other than watch which like sun and shade, plant lower ones in front of taller ones, and watch the moisture requirements of each type when you plant it. I see you have a white coreopsis listed....very nice, I learned something..I didn't even know one existed. I use calgary tulips because they last a long time, and have large flowers that are substantial. They are not perennial here for me. I added camassia, which you might like. I have both purple and white. ( Did I mention that I add a splash of red and purple, just for some daytime interest? Not much though. I love the way purple and red look together with white. They all play off of each other.) May I reccomend some sort of daisy, or the double ones are nice too. Phlox Carolina Miss Lingard lasts a long time as well as phlox David. Some white Asiatics in a group will put on a nice show that lasts a long time too. I am trying to think of the whites that last a while and show up nicely. I agree with clethra Hummingbird...it likes moisture...and what a nice scent for the late summer garden, like honey. Anemone Honorine Jobert also puts on a nice show too in the late summer, but really you have some wonderful selections and I am sure you will add your favorites. I like your choice of annuals...petunias, portulaca and cosmos would be my only other suggestions for annuals..maybe white profusion zinnias..they just bloom and bloom. I never cared much for dusty miller, until I had seen it in a white garden and the silvery foliage really added a nice touch to it, now I wouldn't be without it. It came back for me last year, which was unexpected but nice. There are so so many different white flowers you can add, to sit and list them all would be boring for you and me..I'm sure you'll find your favorites along the way. I have tree peonies and herbacious peonies..but the foliage will be green most of the year, for the short bloom period..it all depends on what you like. Somewhere on one of these posts I have some of the flowers I have in mine posted..I have discovered that I missed some for the list..but like I said..you have a wonderful selection and I think you are going to be quite happy with yours. Enjoy..JoAnn...See MoreGarden design -- of just peonies.
Comments (4)I am a terrible garden planner--I just plunk my new purchases in where ever I have space and then plant around them when I see something is needed. Most of my beds look like a big mistake for 2-3 years while I fix my mistakes! I think the prettiest beds have several different bloom types and times, that's what I'm striving for now. My problem is the several weeks just after the peonies finish blooming and before the penstemons, agastaches and daylilies start blooming--I have a sea of green with no blooms. Any ideas on what would be good then? Roses jump to mind but the deer won't leave them alone, have tried it! I don't think the peony foliage is a problem after they stop blooming. As long as we don't have a big hail storm and I cut off the spent blooms (oops, lazy gardener again!) I think the peony shrubs are pretty, too. Here in the high desert, anything that stays green and lush looking is a good thing! I also like the peonies that don't have to be staked. Most of the singles and semi-doubles are good that way. The corals that I have are unique looking and stand up nicely--Coral N Gold, Coral Sunset, Coral Supreme and Coral Charm. If you like the look of the cactus-style blooms, Circus Circus and Raspberry Rumba stand up nicely, too. I just re-ordered Bric A Brac, it has the look of a parrot tulip bloom. Haven't seen that one in person but have heard it's very pretty and unusual, should also stand up well due to the size of the bloom. I also ordered a few doubles this spring that specifically said no staking required in the description for fall, I'll try to remember to say how they do if they bloom next spring. As far as mixing colors, the only thing that really blooms in my beds at the same time as peonies are Rocky Mtn Blue Penstemons and they look good with every peony color. Blue seems to be a good foil for peonies, several people recommended false indigo, think I'll add that this fall. Most of my peonies are shades of pink and whites with a few reds and I deliberately mix in colors so I don't have big chunks of a single shade. The only ones I take care with are the corals, they clash a bit with the pinks and reds so they're further away from the other colors. I try to mix in perennials that have different forms to break up the sea of peonies, have only been marginally successful so far, though! I'll keep trying! In my mind, if they look pretty and festive together cut in a vase then they should look nice planted together....at least in my mind..... I've seen plenty of pictures of various gardens on this and the perennials forum, single colors and themed beds, absolutely beautiful. I just don't have the discipline....See MoreTough, compact pink rose? Will be planted with lavender along a fence
Comments (29)Hi everyone, thank you all the wonderful input! What a wealth of information. This gives me so many different options and plant combos to try. Cori-Ann, thanks for all of your input and advice based on my climate. My soil is funny enough directly the opposite of yours, very rocky and hard and I have successfully planted all kinds of lavender without too much trouble (have spanish, french and english lavender in different areas in my front yard), though I wish I had your soil, it sounds lovely! I have also successfully planted roses with some amendment and careful watering, though many of my roses are planted or will be planted in a raised bed since two of my austins almost died last year because the soil wasn't to their liking - to be fair I also neglected them when work got busy during the hotter months. But my eden, skylark, and heritage are all doing great, and lots of my neighbors have floribundas/HTs that seem to be thriving. Aquaeyes, thanks for the tips on how to plant the two together. I'm going to try that! I am also planning for lavender more in front with roses more in the back so I'd plan to put down drip irrigation in the back of my roses which I'm hoping will give the roses enough water - the lavender would just get the runoff from whatever soaks over - though agreed with smithdale that my english lavender does seem to want more water than my French and Spanish kinds. For anyone interested, I'm planning Hidcote lavender in this bed. What I may do is plant lavender first and only one rose as a test to see how that works for a year. And if everything seems happy. I'll buy more roses. If not, I'll stick to the lavender since I try to keep my front yard low maintenance - most of my loved roses are in my side and back area. So whatever I chose for the front will have to be easy and able to tough it out if it wants to stay =). Really appreciate all of the wonderful suggestions here!! I'm going to do research and come up with a plan. If anyone else has any recs for hardy roses that aren't fussy and don't mind hard, clay, rock soil, let me know!...See Morelenarufus
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