There’s a second video of her as she’s going towards the exit. One of the things she says is “My doctor won’t let me wear a mask!” That’s total bull. A doctor would not tell anyone to not wear a mask.

Yes, it's a two part series! Such a moron. I would be horrified to have to admit to knowing someone like that.

In the other incident I cited above, as well as the woman in Central Park who lied while calling police to falsely say she was being accosted by an African American man (and while choking her dog), both liars suffered serious economic consequences. The woman in Central Park was ID'd by her employer and fired, the woman in SF was identified by customers who said they would do no more business with her.

I hope the loudmouth in Trader Joes suffers a fitting severe adverse consequence for her tirade. She deserves it.

Apparently some doctors do tell their patients not to wear masks. I think it may be more for psychological reasons. Some doctors though will tell their patients what they want to hear.

This is from the ordinance that was just issued for here for wearing masks that goes into affect Monday.

• Minors, though Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC) guidance recommends that all individuals over the age of two wear masks.
• People who have disabilities that:
  • Prevent them from comfortably wearing or taking off face coverings.
  • Prevent them from communicating while wearing face coverings.
• People who have respiratory conditions or breathing trouble.
• People who have been told by a medical, legal, or behavioral health professional not to wear face coverings.
• People who are seated in a restaurant, tavern, or bar and are engaged in consuming food or drink while adequately distanced from other tables.

maifleur, rules can vary from place to place. Some are more politically driven than others, others are more factually driven.

California requires masks when indoors in places open to the public. If the American Lung Association has stated there's no evidence of adverse consequences for those wearing a mask, and a store is trying to do its part to enforce rules it's subject to, I wonder how someone could all the same claim there to be a problem? If a person alleging to be "medically disabled" starts swearing, when confronted, about "F.....g Democratic Pigs", you can be sure the non-compliance has nothing to do with a medical condition.

Elmer I have not doubt her health problem was not being able to breath. I was addressing this "That’s total bull. A doctor would not tell anyone to not wear a mask." Since it is included apparently some doctors do suggest it..

Maybe or maybe not. Maybe that was put into the ordinance to keep things simple and avoid having to deal with a needless lawsuit?

Maybe those who have a doctors excuse should have a card that says so signed by the doctor.

A friend of mine is hard of hearing and wears hearing aids but if there is too much background noise she reads lips. She's having a tough time these days however she has occasionally asked someone to remove their mask to see what they're saying and so far all have been compliant.

I saw the TJ video; perhaps the woman's issues are psychological, and the doctor in question is a shrink.

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Phony Mask Exemption Cards

"Perhaps the woman's issues are psychological, and the doctor in question is a shrink."

I don't think a psychiatrist would do such a diagnosis nor tell a patient that they have a breathing problem. Am I misunderstanding you?

I have low oxygen and wearing a mask is difficult for me for a lengthy period. But I can manage a short shopping trip and wear a mask always. I am limiting my shopping to those places requiring masks. If someone can't wear a mask for a short period, they should get a prescription for oxygen and use it under their mask. Problem solved.

Elmer, you are missing my sarcasm. I think she's deluded or misinformed, perhaps deliberately. I don't think a doctor told her any such thing.

I think that is the correct prescription, maddielee, if you are unable to wear a mask simply stay away from public places.

When I see idiot videos such as those, I often wonder: will those people someday grow up and realize how stupid they were? Maybe a few will but *sigh* sadly probably many will not. They will live long stupid lives, seeing everything that happens/fails to happen to them personally as proof of their correctness, spreading their stupidity to all who are willing to listen.

eta: there's over 300 MILLION people in the US alone so I can believe there are some people who medically can't/shouldn't mask up. But if a person has the lung power to complain mightily about lack of lung power, well, I know what conclusion I draw.

My brother has COPB. Yes, it’s difficult for him. Neither he nor his partner stepped foot outside of their Upper Westside, Manhattan apartment for months. When they began, they wore masks.

Any person with breathing issues will have a “heck“ of a time surviving if they catch this. They certainly should not be out shopping.

People who cannot wear a mask need to have others get their groceries or have them delivered, fulfill needs by online shopping, etc. They do not belong in stores.

People who act like that feel entitled, they're NOT!

Even if you're able to wear a mask it makes sense to avoid public places. Be smart, be safe, stay home.

Stores make it so easy for us. Curbside or delivery. It can't be easier than that and you get to avoid interacting with deplorables.

This is an ongoing debate on social media and the news sites. The 'breathing carbon dioxide, unsafe for your health' crap gets thrown around regularly.

If that were the case, surgeons would be passing out while in the midst of doing surgery, many of which last hours.

I really laugh at the ones who proudly brag that they'll drive to such and such town to do their shopping, which is an hour away, just because they don't have to wear masks. Good grief.

Or it's too hot to wear a mask at work. Sorry that doesn't cut it either. I always come back with construction workers laying asphalt, many with bandanas on, you're saying they're not hot???

Or a factory job where essential equipment is necessary, year-round, long before covid. This isn't hot?

How about the meeting in Palm Beach county (FL) to determine if mask wearing should be mandatory? In the public speaking portion, several ranted about their right to not wear a mask, including one woman who said she won’t wear a mask just like she won’t wear underwear because ‘things need to breathe.’ There were others equally stupid, but this one was funny and sad at the same time. And they’re raising children.

The American Lung Association has said that there is no evidence that low oxygen levels result from wearing a mask.

my body tells me something different. I'll believe my body rather than the ALA.

If someone really can't wear a mask and absolutely must go out, they should at least wear a face shield. It may not work as well as a mask on the mouth (although it protects the whole face) but at least it helps.

Owners set requirements for their own businesses. Period. Remember "no shirt, no shoes, no service"? She should be escorted right straight out, just as they would do with anyone entering to shop half dressed.

She must shop elsewhere.

As a person with physical disabilities, there are places that I cannot go and things that I cannot participate in. So I must be content to forgo those things. If you really for medical reasons cannot wear a mask, be content to stay out of places where the requirement is to wear one. Grow up, accept your disability and for the sake of others, do the right thing! That is my take on those who will not comply with mask wearing.

"my body tells me something different. I'll believe my body rather than the ALA."

I hope you'll be feeling better soon. In the meantime, you may do better seriously considering real information of all kinds that you receive instead of always ignoring it, as you seem to like to do.

The CDC says that those with chronic pulmonary problems should NOT wear a mask. I wear oxygen 24/7 and I cannot breath when I put on a mask. I was told to require such for such people is a violation the Americans with Disability Act and I believe it to be so.

LOL!! There was no "personal attack" involved!! Just a pertinent observation based on a history of similar statements.

If the shoe fits..........

There is a YouTube video of a woman with COPD who measures her PulseOx with and without masks. Her oxygen level doesn't change.

Mask it or casket.

From personal experience for whatever that is worth for some reason I panicked when something tight was placed on my face no matter what it was. Yes it did feel like I could not breath but that was because I was holding my breath. I suggest that people who believe that they can not wear a mask start by placing a loose cloth wrap around the face like you would wear a scarf in the winter. Tell yourself that if you can wear a scarf in the winter it is not the face covering but something different. From there invest in a package of throwaway facemasks. Use those until you are comfortable. If not find a piece of medium to finely woven silk cloth to drape across your face holding it to the other side of the face with a pin of some type. I can now wear a mask for long periods of time. But I still do not know why I panic.

I'll say it again--we are a nation of morons. Now I'll add to it--other countries now see us a "rogue nation".

I was told to require [masks] for such people is a violation the Americans with Disability Act and I believe it to be so.

Yes, but the ADA also says that in a declared public health emergency (such as this pandemic), businesses must accommodate people with disabilities but may do so by other measures deemed safe, such as providing curbside delivery, on-line shopping, etc. The ADA does not give anyone, disabled or not, the right to endanger public health (as in this pandemic, by entering a store and spreading an infectious disease).

Store owners who are not going to comply with requirements of a legally declared public health emergency would be wise to keep their mouths shut. And wiser still, to comply.

eta: Anglo, I'm so glad to see you posting. I have nothing but respect and (on line) affection for you although I did use your quote to stand on my soapbox a while.

It is perfectly OK not to wear a mask due to medical issues or due to feelings that the mask is somehow harmful. As long as one stays in one's home, without guests, one is free to do as one chooses. And I would see no need to argue with those people about their feelings as long as they did not walk outside or expect to have visitors.

For those covered by the ADA:

https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php#examplesRM

I do have a problem wearing cotton masks but fortunately we had a small stash of the molded paper masks (I always think of them as painters masks, but you can't find them under that phrase) which I find more comfortable.

After a long search on Amazon I found this type of mask. It's actually designed to make it easier for the deaf to lip-read the person wearing it. I'm hopeful it will be more comfortable to wear. I've ordered a set but it won't be arriving until late July. Once I give it a try I'll report my experience with it.

The one I'm getting isn't this particular brand, but it's similar:

Reusable and Washable, Face Bandanas with Clear Window, Visible Expression

It's difficult, although not impossible, to get the molded paper masks. Many are marked for first responders purchase only.

The physician medical director of our county health department made suggestions along the lines of maiefleur’s post, above, for those who are uncomfortable with mask wearing. Wear one around the house for a short periods of time & then steadily increase the wearing time. If you’re out & about & begin to feel panicked/distress, take a break outdoors & remove your mask for a bit. You can adapt to mask wearing if you’re motivated.

In the meantime, you may do better seriously considering real information of all kinds that you receive instead of always ignoring it, as you seem to like to do.

I did many years ago and came to the right conclusion. I don't ignore the right info. You should consider trying a channel that gives the truth in its news.

I do hear what the left spews out. Fox plays clips from 'news' put out by those like CNN, NBC etc. It's amazing that people believe that line of bull. It's the governors and mayors on the left who are supporting the domestic terrorists destroying our country. Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin, Maxine Waters and others are leaders of the pack. and how many of those protesters and BLM people were wearing masks? no problem for them to congregate in masses around the country.

a whole bunch of those who previously supported the left are coming out against it - Van Jones, Leo Terrell are 2 of them but I hear of more and more every day. That's probably not something you'll hear on your news channels.

Many are leaving the dem party. I remember one guy saying 'I've left the plantation'.

repubs hear it all of the time from dems.

Only a toddler thinks that would be an appropriate justification.

where did I say it was justification for what Elmer posted?

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The CDC says that those with chronic pulmonary problems should NOT wear a mask. I wear oxygen 24/7 and I cannot breath when I put on a mask. I was told to require such for such people is a violation the Americans with Disability Act and I believe it to be so.”

How often do you go to Trader Joes Or other public places?

Anyone whose lung capability is so restricted as to make it difficult to function using a mask should absolutely seek in every way to never get exposed to the cuvid virus.

Stay inside their own living space.

One of the major frequent actions of the virus is to cause heavy congestion of the lungs, often resulting in death.

If I have limited lung function and contract the virus, it's almost certain to result in my death isn't it?

Espousing my inability to wear a mask - to my last laboured breath.

ole joyful

I wear a mask every time I go to a store.......a cotton one made from a t-shirt sleeve with a tie. It works great. When I got my hair cut the hairdresser gave me a disposable one with loops over my ears......very uncomfortable, and every time I talked, it had to be adjusted. I can see why people are always touching their face and why their nose hangs out with those ones.

I met with a friend who I hadn't seen in a long time the other day, we both wore masks. She commented on mine, that she liked it, and I didn't touch it once to adjust it.

Friend of mine told me she wears one at work because it's mandatory, but never does doing her shopping. I asked what the difference was, when she's around people. She said because they only let a certain number of people in the store. When I asked if she was ever close to anyone in the aisle, no one walked in front of her (as often happens) to get by, etc. she didn't comment. I guess she assumes the risk is only at her job. There is risk there because she works in a home for young unwed mothers and they don't get, or don't care, of the mask wearing bylaw and the whole covid thing.

I wear a mask if I have to go inside a place of business, but it's not a pleasant experience. When I inhale, the mask material (paper or fabric) always suctions into my nostrils, and 'releases' on the exhalation. It's as if the perimeter of the mask makes too good of a seal, to my face. There are no N95 or other stiff, cup like masks, available where I live, but all the paper or fabric masks I've tried, do the same thing. So I'm forced to keep my mouth open under a mask, in order to breathe. Clearly we're not meant to be mouth breathers, because I end up with a really dry throat after mouth breathing under a mask for even just an hour. Thankfully I'm retired now, because I couldn't stand to have to breathe through my mouth all day. My family thinks it's funny, because my nose and nostrils are not larger than normal, and this doesn't happen to any of them, lol.

Thanks for offering a comment that further demonstrates exactly what I was saying. When did you and the truth take separate roads? Truth has no political allegiance. What you're doing when you think you're filtering it is discarding real information you need to consider without attribution to source.

If someone can't wear a mask for whatever reason, they should be staying home and arrange for someone to pick up what they need. I am so tired too of the people that flat out refuse to wear a mask ( like our president and Vice President) but think they should be allowed in any establishment even though signs are clearly posted.

"The CDC says that those with chronic pulmonary problems should NOT wear a mask. I wear oxygen 24/7 and I cannot breath [sic] when I put on a mask. I was told to require such for such people is a violation the Americans with Disability Act and I believe it to be so."

Sorry, but no. The ADA has no rules about face mask requirements by state & local governments or businesses. What the ADA does require if someone has a disability is to make a reasonable accommodation. It is not reasonable to allow someone to come in the business without a mask during a pandemic when the state or local government, or the business, has mandated wearing a mask, because that puts others at risk. What would be a reasonable accommodation would be to offer to have someone else do the shopping, and then have contactless delivery, pickup, or curbside pickup/delivery.

If you truly feel you cannot wear a mask, then stay home. Stay out of businesses or places that require a mask.

And think about this if you feel you cannot wear a mask -- would you wear a mask if it meant saving the life of the one person you love the very most in the whole wide World? Or would you still refuse to wear a mask, knowing that your loved one is going to die? No, not might die but will die.

@Anglophilia: You stated: "The CDC says that those with chronic pulmonary problems should NOT wear a mask. I wear oxygen 24/7 and I cannot breath when I put on a mask. I
was told to require such for such people is a violation the Americans with Disability Act and I believe it to be so"

I am having a hard time understanding your reasoning. That is because for about 3 months, it was necessary for me to wear oxygen 24/7 via nasal canula. The oxygen supplied through the canula is what kept me breathing. Wearing a mask over the nasal canula no way impeded my ability to breathe, since I was wearing the oxygen.

Therefore, I am wondering how in the world your wearing a mask could keep you from breathing. Please educate me.

I've had asthma for 50 years and now I have COPD also. I always wear a mask. Cotton ones I make, 3 layers. Hot flash or no "I wear because I care!" And so should you.

If it's really a nasal issue, CVS does stock those plastic face shields. There are alternatives available.

I have read several places that those ADA face mask statements are false along with the card that supposedly states that it is from the ADA. It is from a group called "Freedom to Breathe Agency" and is similar to a anti-vaccination group except for masks. An easy search for ADA and masks will confirm this.