Abraham Darby vs Colette for climbing
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Comments (17)My Fourth of July is a J&P new generation (own-root) rose, planted 2 years ago. It remained a small bush the first year, and started throwing long canes last year. Its about 10 ft high now, but I have to prune and train to keep its width constrained because I am growing in on a pillar. Here's 1 pic from the first summer, and 2 from last week, so you can see how fast its grown. Its so vigorous that I use much less fertilizer on it than the bush roses. We do have a long growing season though, so it'd probably be slower for you....See MoreHelp me choose a climbing rose...
Comments (15)Colette and its sister Lunar Mist are indeed cane hardy in my zone 5 garden, and they both bloom nicely (though nowhere near as nice as Nanadoll's in Idaho): Colette: Lunar Mist grows better for me, but it's in more sun - he's a yellow but tends to be more of a cream color that would do nicely in that space: Nahema is to die for I think, though I lost mine once in a mild winter after 4 or 5 cold ones with no problem: Eden is lovely when it blooms, but mine has only bloomed every 3 or 4 years. It wants to bloom on surviving cane which it only occasionally has, and even then I get maybe one or two flushes a year from her. I had to quick snap this one in May before it faded, so pardon the deadheads hanging on: Amaretto is nice and blooms fairly often in less-than-ideal circumstances, though I wish she wouldn't show her stamens quite as readily: Rosarium Uetersen is rock-solid hardy and blooms several times a year, with coral-pink fluffy double blooms: I agree that Felix Leclerc is lovely and very reliable, if you want to go with a hot pink: Abraham Darby has never climbed for me and barely clears 3' on a good year. Most Austins are tall bushes in my zone, except The Generous Gardener that's a washed out pink that doesn't bloom often for me, or Teasing Georgia that's a yellowish cream: Sombreuil sort of survived for a couple of years but I honestly never saw blooms. New Dawn has died three times for me and I'm not replacing it. You have to be careful about thorny monsters like ND in that space by your porch unless you are planning a support that doesn't allow the canes through into the sitting space. Remember that whatever you tie the roses to has to be far enough from the parts of the porch that will need paint or repair periodically. Awakening did live well for many years for me till it got shaded and parched out by some trees - this one has a Snow Queen hydrangea at back so you know it's in a fair bit of shade: Hope this helps with ideas! You have a lovely space to work with and are doing your homework ahead of time which always helps. Cynthia...See MoreWhat climbing rose for wall beside window?
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Comments (13)SJN: Thank you so much for your thorough discussion. It is extremely helpful for someone like me who is beginning to learn and understand more about growing roses in Florida. I have read SoFL rose blogs and seen some of your older discussions on Houzz. It was a few years ago that she wrote about the David Austin roses, and I remember hers were either on DH or Fortuniana. She did mention some were on their own roots but the verdict was still out. I am trying to find newer posts/discussions although I am sure what I am asking is repetitive and has been asked many times before :). Although I know you are in Jacksonville, and the climate/soil conditions might differ, I think I can still gain a lot of valuable insights from your rose growing experiences. Again, thank you so much! Regarding your other DA roses, are they all on a rootstock or on their own roots? I am enthralled by Spirit of Freedom (I know you said this one is on DH), Teasing Georgia, Lady of Shallots, Evelyn, Pat Austin, Claire Austin, and Tess d'Urbersville. I hear Abraham Darby and Darcey Bussell are excellent for Florida. I did read an interesting article by Dr. Malcome Manners years ago that Abraham Darby and Graham Thomas grow too vigorously on Fortuniana in foliage and in height but did not flower much. But others have commented Abraham Darby can be wonderful on Fortuniana. Currently, I have Heritage and Lichfield Angel on Fortuniana but trying to figure out which other DAs to get and whether to get them on own roots or on Fortuniana. I was looking at the Kordes roses too! From reading SoFL Rose blog, I know she developed a strong interest in those. And of course, those are very gorgeous and seem to be more resilient and better adapted to the deep South than DA roses. I know she raves about Bliss, Wedding Bells, and Plum perfect. Earth Angel is one of Kordes. I think I actually have Novalis but it was mislabeled when I purchased it at Cool Roses. What is your experience with them in terms of own root vs Fortuniana? Do you have a favorite Kordes? I love Earth Angel in picture but have heard others say the flower is small and can ball up. How is your Earth Angel and is it on its own root? Then the OGR roses! I think they are fabulous! I recently traveled to Texas and visited Antique Rose Emporium (such a beautiful and cool place!) and brought Belinda's Dream back on the plane with me, lol. I got the climbing variety of Belinda and she is on her own root. Right now she is still sitting in the pot because I am hesitant to plant her down on her own root. Do you think she will be okay on her own root in the soil? Interestingly, I have Louis Philippe, Duchess de Brabrant, Mrs. B.R. Cant and Old Blush on Fortuniana (from Nelson) although they probably don't need to be and will be okay on their own roots. Is your Mrs. B.R. Cant on any rootstok? And how large does it really get? I decided to order two more Fortuniana roses from Antique Rose Emporium after the visit, not only because I think the rose itself is beautiful and will do well here, but that I can use it to learn grafting for fun! I have been reading some of older OGRs discussions by Sherrycola on Houzz and her recommendations for the OGRs. I want Crepuscule and Cramoisie Superiuer badly but hear climbing roses take awhile to take off and flower. What is your opinion on old garden climbing roses? Do you think these and other OGRs would do well on their own roots in sandy soil Florida? Some of the other ones I think are so cool are Le Vesuve, Maman Cochet, Pinkie, Clotilde Soupert, Madam Joseph Schwartz, and many more!!!! I feel really grateful for your advice and recommendations. I will go through the roses you mentioned. I really look forward to learn from you and others on this forum!...See More
4 years agoI am not certain to what size either of these grow in our climate when planted in ground, as both of mine are in containers, however I can say that my Abe (3 yrs old) though absolutely gorgeous, does fade quickly. I tend to cut the blooms and bring them inside so they last much longer and I can enjoy them so much more. Colette on the other hand. WOW. In my garden this rose is a massive producer. The blooms are smaller than that of Abe, but my Colette is only 2 years old. The amount of blooms it produces though so far surpass Abe it is incredible. For every one of Abe (again, one year older than Colette) Colette gives me 10-15. Abe is never really that full, while Colette is very full and tall! I do prefer the coloring of Abe a bit more, but that is just personal preference.
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Diane, I also got my Colette in Feb and thank you for inspiring me too. I got mine from Witherspoon as bareroot . Pls ignore the hose as i was super excited. I bought a obelisk but at the moment working on an area. Hopefully, in Fall , Colette will be out of pot and in the ground.
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Crow, it would help to see your arbor in its new setting. Is the Colette you'll be getting grafted? Mine is grafted on Dr Huey and was a very fast grower. I recommend a grafted Colette. My arbor is at least 5 feet wide, but I'm not sure of the height--I've had it 18 years, and have forgotten. I have just one Colette, and she pretty much fills this arbor. Two would be way too much rose. My Colette is a mature plant, but still wants to grow more. Will this rose be in full sun with a hot summer? I recommend that as well, unless you are in Arizona or something similar. Where are you located? A zone rating is cold hardiness and doesn't say anything about summer heat. Diane
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Ingrid, thank you so much. I'm blown over by your kind words. If you can just get those critters (I prefer to call them rodents) under control, I'm sure your roses will come through beautifully for you. Did you see my post to you about using garlic powder, or that garlic oil outdoor squirrel repellent? It was the best reviewed of all the repellents. The deer repellent I use seems to be more effective than others because of the mint oil and pepper oil added to the egg solids. I just don't think the pests like peppermint or garlic. If you feed birds you need a really squirrel proof feeder. I do have one, and the squirrel that came around here a few years ago, gave up on our feeder. He would run by it and not even look at it (haha, vanquished by his enemy, the squirrel proof feeder). Finally, he left to plague someone else. As far as ground squirrels, we don't have them around here, though out in the sticks farther, there are many. Our problem is gophers. Voles, which I can control, aren't very bad,and our kitty helps. He's murder on voles. Colette's color varies some and it's big flush in spring can be a little brighter, but in your sun, maybe not so much. Diane
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I have an old grafted Abe Darby which never sends out long canes...it doesn't seem to be a climber. It's shrubby. I have a young own-root Colette on an arbor which I'm very happy with. In my zone 7a it has no winter dieback, is almost blackspot free, reblooms well , is beautiful, branchy, vigorous, and very fragrant. It seems to have it all! Many years ago I had one which I had planted in too much shade between two shrub roses. It did very poorly and I blamed the plant. Seeing Diane's great plant of it I tried again and am glad I did.
Mine is just reaching the top of the arbor but the plant is so vigorous it is not going to confine itself to the arbor. I planted another own root one in a bit more shade and gave it plenty of room. Another thing, it has so many small leafy branches from top to bottom that you don't see large bare canes.
Abe , not climbing. Abe reblooms very well and I love the fragrance but it is very blackspot prone here. Mine doesn't grow 8 to 10'...more like 5 1/2'. In your climate it could be bigger.
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