Dr. shows how to handle groceries for covid

Annie Deighnaugh



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tigereye

There is another discussion about this same video. He has several errors in this.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5886061/how-to-unpack-your-groceries-and-take-out-in-the-time-of-corona#25292137

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OklaMoni

I found his video on facebook. I shared it, cause overall it makes people aware of the need to be more careful. But I thought he didn't sanitize his left hand enough, and wasn't to good about cleaning off the produce bag.


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Annie Deighnaugh

Sorry I didn't realize and now it's too late to delete.

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maire_cate

It's good to post it here as well - not everyone checks the other forums.

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graywings123

I would love to hear Dr. Fauci's comments on the necessity for these cleaning rituals.

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tigereye

Maire_cate, Yes, but I posted the other link, because several errors in his method had already been found and I thought someone might like to read it also.

He cross contaminated for one and got the survival times of the virus on different things wrong for another.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Still, I think the video does more good than harm and certainly raises awareness of how one may be bringing the virus into the home unintentionally.

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Raye Smith

Unless you have a compromised immune system use the easy method, buy groceries, place groceries in kitchen, place cold items in refrigerator or freezer, place other items in pantry. Didn't think anyone needed instructions for this.

Much faster and easier.

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Rusty

Thank you for posting this, Annie. I agree, it does a lot more good than harm. Anything we can do to slow this thing down is worth the effort.

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Anglophilia

I sent DGS1 to the store for me on Mon. When he got home, he put the bags on my Corian countertops, not the butcher block island cart. Corian is antibacterial and is used in hospital operating rooms, so it's a perfect surface right now. He unpacked groceries, washed his hands thoroughly, put things away properly, and then again washed hands and wiped down countertops. I'm very immune suppressed now that I've had my 2nd infusion of Rituxan so must be extra cautions, Covid19 or not.

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marylmi

The video ( even with the errors) made me realize I need to be more careful with groceries. Thanks for posting it.

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chisue

Glad to hear you've weathered your second Rituzan, Anglophilia!

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patriciae_gw

We do some similar things but are much more thorough and having a screened porch which is cool and plenty of time we isolate. We do wash fruit and veg in soap and water when possible. It is more about limiting exposure than it is about eliminating. You do what you can do.

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joann_fl

Are people really doing this? Wow, so much to do.


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Annie Deighnaugh

I look at it as a matter of managing risk. If you talk to face to face with an infected person, your risks are high. If you distance, the risks go down. If you telecon with that person instead, the risks go down. If you touch a surface that's got the virus, your risks go up. If you clean that surface, even if less than perfectly, your risks go down. And so on. We're never going to be perfect against an enemy we can't see, but we can do better. The better we do, the lower our risks.

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patriciae_gw

I am asthmatic and immune compromised. I am normally careful about hand washing and fruit and veg washing . It is prudent. Now we are just a little more prudent.

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tigereye

JoAnn, I just had the store keep fruits and vegetables in one bag and milk, cheese and cold or frozen stuff in another.

The vegetables and fruit, I rinsed and drained. The milk, frozen, and cold, I washed and drained. Everything else, I just left in the garage for over 24 hours. After that, I put up, put the plastic bags aside to go to the store for recycle, and washed my hands again.

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functionthenlook

There is usually only one or two bags that come into the kitchen when I shop. Most goes into the storage room or the fridge in the garage. The only thing I do differently than before is put the bags in the sink to empty instead of the counter.

We did take out today for the first time in a long time. We would prefer to eat in a restaurant, but that isn't happening. My hubby read to take the food out of the containers they came in and put on a plate to eat. So that is what we did. I then wiped the counter down with IPA . That is nothing new for me though. I do that once or twice a week with IPA or bleach normally when cooking with raw meat.

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jewelisfabulous

I lost interest after he handled the cardboard cereal box but didn't sanitize where he pulled out the inner cereal bag before he put it on the "clean side".

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Annie Deighnaugh

Jewel, I think his thinking is that the inner bag has never been touched by human hands so it's ok.

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wildchild2x2

I had to laugh at dumping the fast food out on plates and then reheating. If you are that OCD then one should probably avoid fast food entirely. Since many people can have the virus and be asymptomatic For all one knows the food was prepared by someone already ill. Why bother buying fast food to reheat. I t will just be a glob of mushy mess. Just cook something or eat a frozen dinner.



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functionthenlook

Wildchild, I didn't watch the video. Is that what he did? Dump and reheat. We just dumped and ate. There was too much for one meal anyway.

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georgysmom2

I, for one, appreciated it and sent it to all my friends. It may not be perfect but one can get out of it what one wants. Even the miscues.....when you pick up on them you've learned even more. I picked up groceries today. I brought some baggies with me to put on my hands since I don't have gloves. When I got the groceries out of the car, I used the baggies to open the tailgate since supposedly the germs last longer on metal. I parked my car at the front porch, unloaded and placed all bags on the covered porch and most of them will sit there for a day or so depending on what it is and when I need it. There was only one item that needed immediate refrigeration and I brought it in, wiped down with soap and water and refrigerated it. Common sense plays a big part. I'm not a germaphobe, far from it, but I don't want to have my head buried in the sand either.

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maire_cate

I watched the video and yes there were several miscues - but this wasn't a professional production and if you caught a mistake then you're ahead of the game because you won't make the same mistake. The video certainly gave me something to consider.

Personally I thought it was a bit much. I finally showed it to DH and his comment was that it was well intentioned but if you were going to follow his example then you should probably not wear your shoes and clothes inside your home either.

One of our closest friends is a GI specialist and he has chosen to be extra cautious. When he comes home from work he leaves his clothes and shoes in the garage, washes his hands in the adjacent laundry room and then showers. The clothes are laundered the next day. Although he doesn't treat any patients who are Corona confirmed he does frequently come into close contact with other health care providers and patients who may have been exposed. He said that since both he and his wife are over 70 he needs to take extra care.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I think what he's doing...removing clothing for the wash and showering upon arriving home is standard practice for people who may have come in contact with someone who's contagious.

I was talking to my GF today and she said they had a patient who went through 3 different screening processes before they'd give her her medical test and it wasn't until after all of it that she admitted that her boss has been exposed and tested and is waiting for the test results to see if he's positive. I mean people will just decide to lie if it will get the what they want.

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socks

I probably won’t be as thorough as he is, but I’ll make some effort outside before the bags come in


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wildchild2x2

One of our closest friends is a GI specialist and he has chosen to be extra cautious.

I think it is only right that anyone working closely with others be extra cautious with family and other people outside the job. He is using common sense. If it's not standard practice it should be.

But the doctor in the video is way over the top. He must be single, living alone without kids. It bothered me he used the term sterile techniques. Sterile is nothing like clean and wash. He seems like he would be a caring concerned family doc but a bit of a kooky one. Not the first I've met. ;-)

He borrowed from sterile techniques in thought but not in action. It's been on my mind because just the day before our county's shelter in place I was at the hospital watching my friend's anesthesiologist set up his sterile tray for her block. His precision was fascinating to me. I am someone who naturally notices little minute details. The orderly layout, the setting up of freshly packaged gloves at the very end, the careful handing of the sterile covers. I watched him finish, check his phone before discarding his gloves. Then never touched that phone again until after the procedure. Same thing, gloves on, back in pocket, gloves discarded. Nothing got touched twice and nothing touched anything else unrelated.

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arcy_gw

Yes we know the COVID-19 has a longer than we are used to shelf life but before you drive yourselves to FEAR and PANIC know NO ONE has actually 'caught' the virus from groceries/bags/door handles. Yes continue to practice caution when out shopping but seriously this video only servers to incite fear.

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Annie Deighnaugh

NO ONE has actually 'caught' the virus from groceries/bags/door handles...

You don't know that...no one does.

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socks

Yes, it might be over the top but at the least we can avoid bringing the grocery bags in and plopping them on the the kit. counter.

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Annie Deighnaugh

They also say one of the dirtiest things in our home is our purse which gets dragged all over the place, put on floors, etc. So it might be good to give that a swipe, or not take it to the store at all.

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Raye Smith

As far a purses, I wear a cross-body and I've never put it on the floor. I do see women put their purses on the floor of public restrooms, yuck.

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happy2b…gw

The doctor has given us a lot to think about. I have been trying to do all that in a similar fashion, but I have not come close to his fastidiuosness. I think it is important to think through a process thoroughly, but I can see how the concern for disinfecting can be carried way too far and become a source of anxiety for some.

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Bookwoman

A food microbiologist with a long thread about that video: https://twitter.com/bugcounter/status/1243319180851580929?s=19

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socks

Thanks for mentioning this. I'm going to wash my washable purse today. Kipling.

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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

NO ONE has actually 'caught' the virus from groceries/bags/door handles...

"You don't know that...no one does."

No one has conclusively established any known case of Covid 19 being contracted by touching a supposedly contaminated surface. All reputable medical authorities state that the primary method of transmission is person-to person contact or airborne respiratory particles (coughing or sneezing) and that the risk of transmission by surface contact is extremely low.

Be as safe and as cautious as you prefer but I find that video OTT based on what we DO know!!


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Chessie

Man - I definitely do NOT do all this stuff. I bring in my groceries and put them away, and wash my hands. Period. There is no way I could ever "remove the glitter". I don't think there are actually any groceries that I even use or touch again, before 3 days anyway.


And I never ever set my purse down anywhere - not since this thing has started.

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Annie Deighnaugh

All reputable medical authorities state that the primary method of transmission is person-to person contact or airborne respiratory particles...

Operative word here being "primary"....doesn't mean "only".

It's like anything...we each have a level of risk with which we are comfortable, and that's up to each of us to decide, recognizing that the more thorough we are with cleaning stuff, the lower our chances are of acquiring the disease. Doesn't mean we can't be clean enough without all that extra effort or that despite our best most thorough efforts we can't still get sick. But if we're aware of the risks, we can then choose how and if we mitigate them.

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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

You failed to include the second part of that statement: "and that the risk of transmission by surface contact is extremely low."

If scientists and medical authorities - not some youtube doctor who may not have any specialized training in epidemiology or microbiology - are in agreement on this, then I am not going to question their assessment. btw, those authorities state that the risk from surface contact is 100's to 1000's of times less likely than from the aforementioned person to person or airborne contact.

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chisue

We don't want to focus only on Covid-19. When you leave groceries 'on the porch' or 'in the garage', you don't want to invite trouble from spoilage or other factors like plain old dirt and germs, insects or rodents.

DH does our shopping. He asks for paper bags. I wipe down jugs of milk or OJ, cardboard, hard plastic, then the counter top where the paper bag sat. Takes a minute or two. He leaves his 'outside' shoes in the back hall. I wipe his CC and car keys, door handles. We wash hands in hot water with soap. (For the first time I welcome the foaming agents in soft soap!)

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Chessie

Also the dude in the video was incorrect when he stated that they found "live" virus in the cruise ship. 17 days later. It was NOT live virus. It was RNA. Stuff like this gets repeated and everyone assumes accuracy.

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Annie Deighnaugh

gardengal, in your statement, were you quoting an authority or were you summarizing in your own words? I assumed the latter.

I have seen nothing definitive yet on incidence of getting the disease from touching contaminated surfaces esp since they only recently came out with estimates of survival rates of the virus on various surfaces. But Johns Hopkins does say it's possible: The new coronavirus can survive for hours or even days on some surfaces. Touching a contaminated surface and then touching your face is one of the ways to become infected. Source: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/how-can-i-protect-myself-from-coronavirus

If you have something that is more definitive, I'd love to see it.


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Annie Deighnaugh

I don't get the idea of leaving stuff in the garage...if the virus is going to age out on a cardboard surface, it can do that as easily stowed in the pantry as sitting in the garage, no? ...so long as you store and leave it for a few days.

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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

I was quoting an authority - believe it was from either the CDC or WHO - and previously made a similar remark (with attribution) on another thread dealing with a similar topic. If I have time later, I will try to locate the source.

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jewelisfabulous

Annie Deighnaugh -- Let me clarify: his hands potentially got all virus-y when handling the cardboard cereal box. He didn't clean his hands before he grabbed the inner bag of cereal and put it on the "clean side". Ergo: the inner bag is now potentially all virus-y where he touched it with his non-cleaned hands.

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