You are going to need a few more roses to do what you really want.

I agree with Ken. Also, three of your roses will be in their first season. Once Julia Child gets going and gets some size, you will have her blooms most of the time--there's little down time between her flushes. Diane

Oh gee! I must have 100 and I'm still not sure it's enough! I'm planning for a dedicated cutting garden! LOL! Seriously though, you do need a few more. If you find the ones you have do well, and you like them and have the space, consider duplicates. :-)

I think Belinda's Dream makes an attractive plant. I don't know about the others. Since you're in GA I'd consider buying some teas, Chinas and Noisettes. Some of those are less thorny, some have great rebloom, some are blackspot resistant and have pretty leaves, and will not look like such a thorny fat stick. To me they're more graceful plants .

I don't know if you can attain continuous bloom just by planting a number of plants. In my garden they tend to bloom at a similar time though some repeat more. I'm getting addicted to clematis. Many bloom after the roses' first flush. Some bloom through summer , into fall. Some bloom in winter in mild climates. I hear they make good cut flowers. For continuous color you can't beat annuals.

Agreed! Especially about growing teas, not to be confused with hybrid teas. You need more to have enough to cut for the house, especially if you also want color in the garden. Mine all bloom at about the same time and rest between cycles at about the same time. That's where annuals and perennials will fill the gap.

I agree that 5 isn't enough to have roses outside and indoor. I have 200+ roses, and I have enough for outdoor and indoor and give away to friends and families, and roses bloom all year in my area zone 9.

To make sure I always have roses for cuttings, I often don't prune all roses at the same time except the first Spring pruning because I figure the garden will look great with all the roses bloom at the same time; however, I won't be able to use all the blooms, and they will go to waste. You can time the pruning and overlap some of the roses. Here are the rough estimate times from pruning to blooming:

Miniature roses bloom in 35 to 40 days

Tea roses in 45 to 50 days

Hybrid teas in 45 to 55 days

Floribundas in 50 to 55 days

Hybrid rugosas in 55 to 60 days

English roses in 50 to 60 days.

I'm guessing you will have more roses in your garden in the future. Have fun :) Helen

Oh... ... I see. What was I thinking?

I started out with two roses and after a few blooms here and there during their first year, the bush was done and it was back to bloomless plant, as I call them - "salad with thorns."

I almost gave up as it felt like it's wasn't worth it for just a few sporadic blooms throughout the year.

But then the bug bit again especially when I realized that store-bought roses never open. They always dry up in bud form for me no matter how well I follow vase care directions.

So I added three more this year. Problem is I can't keep adding because I literally have no space.

My rose bed would only allow for 2 more max, maybe 3 if really pushed. Everything else would have to go in containers on my deck.

Then what would be the minimum number of bushes that could accomplish roughly what I have in mind? I certainly can't go into the dozens, let alone hundreds.

Or perhaps I should give up the idea of roses in the garden and just enjoy them as cut flowers?

I assume a rose on the bush - start to finish - lasts longer than in the vase.

What about if you did all your hybrid teas (since you can choose smaller one) in containers and teas in the ground? The teas are prettier plants in general so that might give you more the look you want in the landscape

I am still now sure what are examples of TEA roses. Not Hybrid teas - but teas.

I only know HT, granddiflora, floribunda, polyantha and climbing.

Could someone provide a link to a TEA rose bush?

Also, I thought hybrid teas grow too large for pots.

Some roses do bloom more than others. Of mine, the most bloomy are Cinco de Mayo - an unusual shade of russet that ages to dusky lavender; Quietness - a soft, powder pink; Bolero - white with touches of pink in the center and Flamenco Rosita - a large bush of rosy red blooms. These have a shorter rest time between flushes.

They will all perform more reliably after at least 3 years, so give them time to mature.

Top dressed with compost or aged manure and a good all purpose plant or rose food will help. A mulch like wood chips or pine straw helps maintain moisture in the soil and attracts worms, which is good. Water and sun, and that's about it.

Are you familiar with https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/plants.php, a wonderful resource? And, here there are people in your zone who are helpful with specifics for your area. I hope Dianela, who is in your general area and grows a lot of roses, will add her thoughts.

Even a couple of rose blooms in a vase with some sprigs of greenery from your other shrubs will be more personal and longer lasting than most florist bouquets. I hope you can squeeze in a few more roses. Some are small, like Bolero. Gruss an Aachen is also a small bush that is a good bloomer. Those two work nicely in pots. Dee-Lish, Bliss and Olivia are reportedly good bloomers.

TEA roses are one of the parents of "hybrid" tea roses, hence the name. The hybrids have a majority of tea ancestry (delicate blooms of "classic" high-centered form, but often with weak necks and nodding blooms), mixed with hybrid perpetuals (tall coarse plants with "blooms on a stick). Both the tea and hybrid perpetual classes are considered "antiques", or "old garden roses". The first "official" hybrid tea was La France, introduced in 1867, though similar crosses existed by that time. Most modern HT crosses are made within the class, as hybrid tea X hybrid tea, though some great contemporary work is being done by Viru Viraraghavan in India, with new crosses involving the species Rosa Gigantea. Though new, true teas are rarely introduced today, Viru, and our own Paul Barden, have produced some beauties. Check out the "plants bred" tab on their profiles.

Here are some great references on the HelpMeFind rose reference site:

What is a Hybrid Tea?

What is a true TEA rose?

Take those references with a grain of salt. They don't do justice to either class, lol.

And for photos and names of tea roses:

THOUSANDS of TEA roses (or search "Tea" plus other criteria, under old garden roses, on the "class" tab of advanced search)

That is enough info to keep you busy for years, but you can give the rose varieties a glance and see that they are the source of the classic form of the hybrid teas. Some of us much prefer the grace of the older varieties, especially where the bush is concerned.

You would do well to ask the question on the Antique rose forums as well. There are many of us who grow mostly the antiques, and your question would be welcome there:

Antique Rose Forum

I didn't mean to imply you need 100!!! Just more than 5! :)) I just like the look of a lot of roses in my garden as opposed to bouquets. I also float roses and that's a lovely way to "stretch" them. @Prettypetals_GA_7-8 and her SIL grow gorgeous roses for cutting in GA so she may pipe in and advise you. Are you only interested in large blooms? If not Pink Pet gives TONS of flowers continuously and copiously. Maggie is another good one. Don't forget climbers also. They can be pillared up a thick pole and look fabulous free-standing. There are many ways to incorporate more roses that bloom well and are fairly disease resistant.

Vaporvac,

I love climbers, polyanthas etc. but unfortunately, I do not have space for them. I planted a Climbing Pinkie in a narrow bed lining a raised deck with lattice and railing and on which I was hoping the Pinke would climb; but so far it didn't work out very well.

For the past two years the Pinkie barely bloomed but this is very likely due to the fact that it's not getting much sun there. Soon after noon the deck starts shading it. The very few blooms I have seen from it were very unimpressive, so I am just in no hurry to add another climber, not that I would have space for it anyway.

So yes, I am thinking more in terms of the classical bloom although they don't have to be very large and not just hybrid tea.

I admit I do love giant blooms - but it is my understanding these come from hybrid teas which apparently don't do that great in my zone. Since I have limited space and must stay very selective, I am currently erring on the side of floribundas. I WOULD love to add an Austin though.

In terms of yield...oh, well. I'll get what I get. I have seen Google pictures of my roses in full bloom and it almost sounds like even one bush could produce enough for my needs if it reached its full potential. It's not like I plan to sell them or share. With the number of roses I can fit or afford to care for timewise, I am not sharing a thing! Each and every one will be mine. I'll probably get quite possessive. LOL.

Of course, when the rose takes a break - it is what it is. But if all bloom at the same time...a break is a break.

I am planning for a cut garden in the backyard in a small raised bed - just to tie me over between in rose breaks; but I am struggling with finding right space. We have tall trees around here and a cut garden needs lots of sun. I can't quite find a good enough spot that will get lots of sun AND be close enough to my hose.

I don’t think 5 is anywhere near enough to have flowers inside and out but it also depends on how many you want to bring in. If you’re off your rocker like myself you end up with way to many like myself but it’s my hobby and I love them and want them in every room if possible. I do grow lots of other plants that I love to mix in with my arrangements. I think it’s really just trial and error. You need to see how these 5 perform and learn the diff traits of the diff roses. Floribundas have oodles of blooms usually so you will prob get more bouquets out of them versus a hybrid tea. Like someone said earlier they will rebloom diff depending on when you prune them. I don’t prune all at one time except for their pruning they get in Feb. Good luck and have fun with it. When you stress out it makes it not so much fun!!! Are you anywhere near Pike nurseries, Scottsdale, Autumn Hill or Family Tree Garden Center? They have some great roses. I travel everywhere for roses. I told you I was kookoo!! Lol

Thanks vaporvac for your sweet comments!! Maggie is new to me this year and can’t wait to see her bloom!!!

Wow! Now you have heard from two of the best in GA!!!;-))

Severe_Novice, I agree with Prettypetals. Don't stress out. There are a lot of trials and errors in growing roses.

I think having the right amount of sun for a rose is the most important thing in my garden. In my garden, I can control soil, water, but have less control over the amount of sun my roses can get. The roses in the shaded area often perform below average and don't bloom a lot compared with the same roses in full sun. The way to work around that is having some roses in big pots and placing them at the area where there is plenty of sun but the ground is hardscape (cement).

Here is a link to a rooftop garden and I think most of the roses there are in big pots. With enough planning and hard work, the owner makes her garden look even better than my garden even though I have 1/2 my roses in the ground and 1/2 in pots. Helen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tvY5_HbBRs&t=327s

I do what Ken does. After I’ve had rose I love I get a couple more, especially if you like bouquets of a single rose. I think once you have a year with what you have now you’ll be able to see how far they went as far as bloom production but you’ll also see what you need to do to care for the roses. The more you get the more care it takes needless to say but it’s worth considering.

I went back and reread your last comments and English roses perform great for me. You will see that when you start growing Olivia. Love love love her!!!

Take care, Judy

Well, for container roses you could certainly do CreamVeranda, CaribbeanBreeze, Sharifa Asma, Tamora and I think Bliss is smaller as well.

Most of the teas I have are larger but I think Ducher (some day China, some say tea, I don’t stress about it) and Duchess de Brabant would work nicely for you.

But definitely have fun with it :)

Prettypetals and Ken,

Thank you so much - I took notes!

Ken, Ring of Fire is amazing...and I googled Let Freedom Ring. If there was one red I would want, it would probably this one. Gorgeous. I do admire your discipline and restraint - to repeat the same rose in several spots! I always try to exercise restraint in color and variety with my containers in general, and never quit manage it. :)

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PrettyPetals,

I have a Pikes dangerously close to me. It's a 10-15 minutes walk (and 3 minutes drive or so).

Yes - THAT dangerous.

This is how I started two years ago. They had Good as Gold with some huge, gorgeous blooms and I was ogling it really badly but was convinced that one cannot grow roses in the South.

A Pikes employee convinced me otherwise and this is how GAG came home with me.

My problem right now is not the roses but the space for them and the resources to take care of them long term (pots, soil, but especially time).

I will try to see how I am doing with these 5 this summer (4 in bed, 1 in pot, and one Climbing Pinkie behind the deck). I have never had floribundas before so I am really excited to see how they do.

Bayareagirl,

That garden is incredible and honestly, the pots don't even look that big! Is it in China?

I was advised to get a really large pot and boy, did I spend on a 24" resin or what - to house Rosie the Riveter! Better be worth it. :)

Wow! I couldn’t handle it if Pike were that close to me. Some stuff is way over priced but they have lots of stuff the other stores don’t. Once you get started on roses trees come down and space frees up. Lol

SN, I have a feeling the grower is a Chinese woman who lives in Japan but I could be wrong. Most roses love big pots. Helen

I have 106 roses in my garden and I have fresh cut roses all over my house from Mid May TIL autumn. :)

Darren,

That sounds like a dream! A cut rose here and there is the main reason I grow them ...but 5 rose bushes can only give you so much. I can only imagine what a rose party you have in your house all summer long! What area are you in?

I can’t resist throwing out a vote for perhaps my favorite rose, Matangi. It has a lot going for it because it is extremely floriferous AND very disease resistant AND it has big beautiful hips in fall and winter AND it is a beautiful shapely shrub in the garden with very full very dark green foliage. But it has still more virtues too. Unlike so many rosarians, I don’t really have a bed solely devoted to roses. Instead I have my roses scattered around as part of the garden. Which means I like the flowers to stay on the plant to keep the garden colorful so I rarely cut flowers for the house. Matangi excels in that situation because even as its blooms age from their ideal freshest appearance they don’t change that much and they continue to look good for a month or more, and even stay colorful even longer, though eventually they won’t pass close inspection very favorably. I’ve never kept track of this longevity, other than to say it seems quite unusually lengthy.

Sam McGredy is the breeder of this rose. It’s in his “hand-painted” series which means it is multi-colored, another attribute I strongly favor. I think he quite likes it because it’s featured on the cover of his book “Look To The Rose” and there’s a nice write up inside. Maybe you can read it. It’s interesting to read.

Sadly, I’ve been forced to downsize high maintenance and high water usage plants In my garden. That means some of my roses have had to go. In the former situation my husband and I are getting on in years and we have had way too many roses to enjoy these last few years, and in the latter case, water has become astonishingly expensive. But there is no way Matangi is going to be sacrificed. I actually have three plants and I will keep all three!

I am so excited for you to have Good as Gold, as I only had her one summer and really LOVED the grapefruit fragrance of her blooms! The color was unmatched in my garden. Unfortunately, that was the only rose bush I had that developed crown gall by the end of the season, so alas, she is a goner. I may give her another go though! :)

Ken, that Louise Estes has got to be one of the prettiest roses! I'll be looking her up!

Nola,

I think Good as Gold is one of those roses they hybridize to attract customers with the 'pretty' factor, with little concern for other aspects, especially disease resistance. It is clearly a disease-prone rose. Even with spraying it has problems.

Its beautiful, glowing blooms are what first drew me in into this rose obsession. In the end, it doesn't matter how beautiful the blooms COULD be if the plant will be sick most of the time and the blooms will never reach their full potential.

We live in Colorado so way different climate but I also planted roses for color outside and to bring inside. What I learned is I had to adjust my expectatons away from bouquets to bud vases and floating dishes. They make great displays without consuming alot of flowers. The end of season, before the first frost, is the only time I really get bouquets. This was my haul last Oct.

I like the sprays from the miniatures and other spray roses like Sally Holmes to flesh out the arrangments. There are also some asters, shasta daisies and orange mango red hot pokers in there as they are my fall bloomers.

During the summer I do cut some for display in the house but alot of time it is a tough choice whether to leave garden color or put some inside.

This is the type of arrangements I get in Aug. when I'm still leaving most flowers on the bushes.

Actually this dish (below) includes some from someone else's garden who gave me some blooms when I visited.

I believe I have about 25 bushes and have been growing roses for 4 years. But my climate is very different from yours.

One thing I think I have done really well at is choosing roses that go together in arrangments. When I buy a new one I hold it up to the flowers from roses I already have to make sure the color is harmonious with my other choices. Occassionally I have picked one up that really clashes and have to put it back. Because I live near High Country Roses I get all my roses at their green house which affords me the ability to do this.

mmmm, your arrangements are lovely and I'm surprised you got all that with only 25 bushes. You bring up a good point that I don't think has been mentioned. One stem of Sally Holmes, Ballerina, Marjorie Fair, Jeanne Lajoie, Florentina, Jasmina, some of the OSO Easy, Veranda and Drift roses and many, many others makes a bouquet. Some bloom in trusses, some in clusters.

Also, they are wonderful mixed with HTs and Floribundas when there aren't enough larger blooms to make a bouquet.

I don't think this is the form Severe is looking for, but might be considered for sheer bloom power. Some are ground covers that could be planted in front of a HT, or the short climbers could be pruned as shrubs.

Thanks Floweraremusic. I find my Fairy (smaller pink flowers in sprays) and Sally Holmes (creamy white singles in dense sprays) generally have enough flowers that I can cut a sprig and fill in with some of the bigger roses to make a nice arrangement. I think picking something neutral to fill this roll is a good idea. For my color selection pink and white are things that go with just about everything I have.

The only bush we have taken out so far is Gourmet Popcorn because it was supposed to have lots of white blooms but for me never did. I think I had it in a bad spot.

mmm12, thanks for the flashback! I remember those beautiful arrangements from last season. I love all the ones you and flowers mentioned and use them as well. It's so pretty to have just one spray in a beautiful vase or bottle. I often put those in my powder room. One thing about my colours are they don't always look as good in my house as outside as inside has warmer colours so the whites, etc. always look good. Last year and this year I added some warmer tones for the front yard.

Vaporvac, which ones did you add with the warmer tones?

mmmm12, these are cuttings that I hope make it: Teasing Georgia, Mel's Heritage and possibly Evelyn.

From Springhill's Rainbow of Roses sale 2018, I got Cinco de Mayo and Ch-Ching (small and BSy here). I added an OR CdM from HCR 2019 because it looks great with brick. I already had Felicia and Cornelia, Gold Blush and Molineux, but moved them to the same bed 2019 when I added a a metal fence to my front corner. Also, in 2019 I planted Jerabek's Peggy M and Star of the Republic. Thus far this year I've added Moonlight in Paris, , Waiheke and Medallion as potted and bagged roses. I have on order from ARE Brazos Belle, from HCR Golden Wings and Lemon Zen (for a friend), from Freedom Gardens Augusta Luise and Greetings. While the latter isn't "warm" it does go well with CdM, Violette's Pride, Lavender Crush and Christian J. I may add Jayne Austin to this order as my large cutting died. I have Phyllis Bide nearby and think they should all look good together. I can't wait to see them all blooming.

For a Tea Rose, Monsieur Tillier makes a great cut flower. It’s fragrance is incredibly like black tea and bananas. They were called Tea roses because they smell like tea. It gets big though. I planted mine at the back against a 6ft fence and it should be a 7-8 foot shrub in a few years. Mine in its second year starting a second flush. It’s first flush was in January. You can’t prune down Teas short in the spring or you will kill them. They have to be allowed to just grow with a little trim to shape a nice shrub.
https://antiqueroseemporium.com/products/monsieur-tillier
https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.4360

BTW my goal is at least one rose blooming in my garden 365 days a year. So far it’s working! Almost all my bushes are in their 2nd year. I have a mix of Teas, David Austin’s, Hybrid Perpetuals, Polyanthas and climbing Noisette-Teas. Here is Monsieur Tillier bloom as it just starts to open. Like many Teas it’s blooms get smaller in the heat but since it also blooms in the winter when the others don’t this is not a problem.