Hip or Gable roof dilemma . . renderings attached . . .
Ronny
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These renderings are an attempt to capture the contemporary home from the street view. The home sits up slightly from the street. Trying to decide decide if a gable roof stands too tall and if the hip is a better look.
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PROMark Bischak, Architect
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Would love advice on roof style- Hip vs Gable
Comments (22)Katieebs: A good design solves ALL design constraints so there's no having to choose between, for example, the plan and the exterior design as you are doing. Both would be accommodated. In lieu of copy and pasting the thing let me just point you here: http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3178541/question-for-architectrunnerguy-or-others?n=24 Look at my post 11 posts down, not the one at the top with the colored drawing. Read the part about internet plans (spoiler: Very helpful) and the part about bags of $100 bills on the table. Sometimes I think I take the owners hard earned money more seriously than they do! I only point you there because since posting it, I've gotten some private notes, none of which I'll be doing the designing because they aren't local but all of which are looking to spend some six figure number of their hard earned money the best way possible in an endeavor in which there are no "do overs". Especially when that huge amount is weighed against the fee for a morning of conceptual design work by a creative thinker. So there has to be some interest there and may be you might too in getting someone creative that's local to look at improving the design. But good luck! EDIT: My crude red box was meant to illustrate a diagramitic concept (moving house FORWARD of garage), not moving those exact spaces IN the box forward while leaving the kitchen where it is. Sorry, that's me thinking conceptually!! No, the kitchen would relate to ALL other spaces the owner wishes. That's what separates great design from average design, both of which cost the same....See MoreHELP! Roof dilemma! Architect mistake!
Comments (36)@roccouple— yes you are exactly correct. That is a staircase and that’s why the headers don’t align. We also can’t move that bottom staircase window... because it’s as far down as it can go. They are “switchback” stairs and there is a landing in between those windows. I asked about one long window there— but the landing would be then be visible. But, we decided to do exactly what you said... that top window with the flap will move down about 2 ft or so. Then another window will go on that right side to be even with that one. We will move the last window on the house to be even with the lower staircase window. That should help with symmetry also. .... and after doing that— if we need to— we will move that upper center window (either up or down).. not sure until we see the other stuff. Thanks for your advice! Greatly appreciated....See MoreGable to hip roof conversion?
Comments (11)Older house construction in FL did not do well with anchoring the walls to the floor, or the roof to the walls, the roof decking the the framing, etc. In the Wind Mitigation Reports that the insurers use they are documenting approved steel connections at all these critical junctions. That is, they must be able to see and photograph these connections or you get no credit for them. To retrofit with these fasteners, parts of the walls and roof decking often need to be removed to get proper access. Often older concrete block walls were not properly filled with concrete. And, in my opinion, all roof decks should be covered with a waterproof/resistant peel and stick membrane. It helps prevent water intrusion when the outer roofing layer blows away....See MoreScreened porch addition: ceiling question with hip roof
Comments (22)There are two criteria you have mentioned, a [1] vault/cathedral and [2] exposed rafters/beadboard. These need to be approached as different thought processes: [1] A complete cathedral ceiling following the roof rafters would not be a good solution with this steep roof pitch. If you reference @Jon Alan's 3-D drawing (thank goodness he did that!), you can see you have a very shallow 14' depth of footprint combined with an upper wall that needs to be present to block seeing the existing roof. That would create a large, cavernous out of proportion space with a tiny length of ridge at the top. Add to that the slanted hip roof converging with the straight vertical attic wall, and the darkness up there, it would look nothing like any of the inspiration pictures you have let alone the functionality of cleaning cobwebs. Many might say use a gable roof instead of the hip. However, I do not think that would be a good solution for the same reasons. The footprint width is 24'-8" and a gable would spread that width at that steep pitch. So you would be left with a similar cavernous out of proportion cathedral ceiling at only 14' deep. Not to mention the gable end wall would be very high (though maybe filled with windows?) and would probably dominate or not fit with the existing house roof and proportions. Again cleaning those windows and high ridge point and seeing that huge blank attic wall. [2] Exposed rafters and beadboard can be donein any case of roof, whether following the roof rafters or on a false ceiling. The beadboard can actually be "faux," meaning it does not have to be on the outside of the rafters, but added later as a finish in between the rafters. __________________ So, it seems to solve the proportion dilemma for a vault/cathedral, you have 2 choices: [A] lower the pitch on the roof (whether hip or gable), or [B] create a lower false ceiling inside (whether that ceiling is a tray, hip, or gable): [A] Will a lower pitch than the existing roof blend well with the house? Will a gable look out of place? [B] When building a false lower ceiling, which of the 3 styles would lend well to being exposed adjacent to an enclosed flat ceiling, and remain proportionate to the 14' depth x 24'-8" length? __________________ Realize if your footprint were rotated and was 24' deep and only 14' wide, then that would lend better to an exposed hip or gable cathedral roof, and it would look like most of your inspiration pics....See More
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoFloating cantilevered upper deck supporting the roof looks frightening.... And the load distributed to the foundation ...how exactly?
And the lower deck is not much better.Ronny
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Are you sure, did the engineer ok'd this? This point load where arrow is looks bad, momentums looks very suspects.... Hard to believe that it is only 2'. On the picture above, even if the roof load distributed the floor below wall, it is above the glass door...
> Lots of big glue-lams
They better be pressure treated glulams. (IMHO Steel needed). Just hard for me to believe that you do not need a steel columns.Ronny
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