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Restless about natives.

6 years ago

I'm growing a bunch of native plants to help the wildlife, and restore nature. If that sounds like you, and you enjoy talking about it, please join in if you want!

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  • 6 years ago

    That’s too bad. I am assuming because of the corona virus? I even got an email from Toadshade nursery about that.

  • 6 years ago

    I stared at this for a while, trying to figure out what was growing there last year. I think this is where the sensitive plant popped up, but I don’t recall these being so spiky looking.

    punktata is coming back strong.
    and the lawn keeps on blooming

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  • 6 years ago

    Nice growth Iris. I threw down some M. punctata seeds last fall, wonder if any will come up, right now the area is carpeted with hairy bittercress which I have been removing when I can.

    You think spring ephemerals will come up from under sycamore leaves? They aren't piled thickly but they make a pretty solid blanket and take forever to break down.

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    Public places have to comply with the ADA, and for public lands that means we have to have a certain amount of ADA accessible trails. I don't think that's so bad, we shouldn't be excluding people from these places based on ability or disability.

    Jay 6a Chicago thanked ZachS. z5 Platteville, Colorado
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    Yes, the workshop was canceled because of corona virus. I can't figure out what Stellaria species that is.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/gardening/comments/2neqlo/are_sycamore_leaves_bad_to_use_as_mulch_in_a_fall/

    Doug Tallamy is going to talk near here somewhere.

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    Polygala nana.
    Trillium stamineum, note the twisted petals. Very rare with minute range, like its local companion fern Asplenium tutwielerae.
    Asplenium tutwilerae. Tutwiler's spleenwort.
    They had a burn at Lockport Prairie. Home to an endangered Hine's Emerald Dragonfly.
    Spring bladderwort blooms.
    Arizona
    Rare sourhern iris, Iris nelsoni.
    Asclepias arenaria, sand milkweed. Looks a bit like the broadleaf milkweed A. latifolia.
    Asclepias ovalifolia., oval leaved milkweed.
    Asclepias latifolia, broadleaf milkweed. Love the leaf veining. I hope my 2 plants return.

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    Now I really have a good reason for avoiding fast food joints.All future nature gatherings are canceled forever.

    LIFE ALWAYS FINDS A WAY!

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    What is that Polygama, Polygala? Thats a pic of Polygala nana. I am going to start annoying nearby native nurseries about growing more Polygala and Spiranthes and all the other cool unavailabe natives. Maybe the germination and propagation is too difficult? I was listening today about the California chaparral, some seeds need the presence of burnt wood chemicals to germinate (another fire adaptation).

    Noticed a couple cool things in the yard today, another Botrychium fern


    And the Salix discolor looked nice

    Jay 6a Chicago thanked Skip1909
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    Jay, hope your latifolia comes back! No sign of milkweeds here yet.

    Skip, really love your willow. The little sticks I planted last year had a rough time with the deer. Hope they pull through. My black willow is looking great though. Other things going on. Redbud. Cultivar doing really well. None of the 3 straight ones made it past 5 years.

    Looks like my swamp verbena is spreading around nicely

    Jay 6a Chicago thanked Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)
  • 6 years ago

    Is that Lonicera sempervirens? I wintersowed some redbud seeds

  • 6 years ago

    I believe it is. Got it from the native plant sale 7 or 8 years ago. It was just limping along until last year when it finally took off.

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    Skip, I IDed wrong to see if you were on your toes haha. There is a Polygala polygama, and usually plants with yellow flowers are called lutea. I'm getting kind of jealous about those Botrychium ferns. It snowed here today. The willow looks great. Iris, what killed your other redbud? I winter sowed the endangered Kankakee mallow Iliamna remota. The crude, but cool Italian guy did a video about it, and he mentioned something about the seeds needing fire in order to germinate. I looked up the Prairie Moon germination instructions and it says C60 and nothing more. I hope they germinate or I might have to burn something on top of the seeds. They were already sown when I found this out. I wish more native nurseries sold the rarer things like you said. There are a couple places that have some nice unusual plants, like Izel, Wood Thrush, Gardens of the Blue Ridge.

    Iris, is the swamp verbena, Verbena hastata?

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    I wish they sold more native Polygala seeds and plants. There are about 32 native polygala, but the only seeds available were for 1 species Polygala senega. It's also native for me. I'm really hoping to find seeds for P. sanguinea. It grows at the dunes. Izel is selling, or once sold Polygala pauciflora plants. It's a showy species. The roots of polygala are used for medicine, especially P. senega. That's why I was able to find seeds for senega from Strictly Medicinal Seeds.

    Polygala sanguinea
    Polygala senega
    Polygala pauciflora
    Polygala lutea

  • 6 years ago

    Jay, yes that’s the swamp verbena. There are no freezing temperatures in the forecast for the next ten days. Wonder if this was it for Winter, or if we are going to get one of the late freezes that’s going to kill everything that already started growing.

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    Look at that Polygala pauciflora flower. What are those frilly things, are those the stamens, or modified stigmas? Are the yellowish things the stigmas?

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    I'm not sure what flower parts are what. I haven't figured out polygala flower anatomy yet. Their flowers are bizarre, and they vary so much, from species to species. They are closely related to legumes, and have similarities.

    Polygala polygama,(Polygala polygama). I want to tell the governor to ban the sale of all invasive species and start dealing with the invasives along our roads. Our Illinois highways are a disgrace! Full of teasle and Phragmites. So far about 2 cordifolias popped up, and 2 or 3 humistratas. The first 3 quadrifolia seeds were no good. I'm soaking 3 more. The variegata aren't popping yet. Most of those seeds were on the small side. I wonder if Mr. Variegata is harvesting them too soon? I did get an additional 25 variegata seeds from somebody in Kentucky. Asclepias longifolia is blooming right now down in Florida. I really would love to grow it also. Looks almost like its subspecies hirtella, but with redder flowers and longer leaves.
    Asclepias longifolia.
    Pictures by Kara Driscoll. Florida Native Plant Society.

    Bonap has only Asclepias longifolia listed and not A. hirtella. The map they show is for hirtella. It ranges up into Canada. The range of the subspecies is much bigger than that of longifolia, which is only ranges in the deep south.

  • 6 years ago

    I used 10 milkjugs and made backups of some plants, especially grasses, because I'm planning on converting useless lawn into something way, way better.


    This guy is the head of a big gardens in Alabama. He's able to propagate all kinds of rare plants because of the greenhouses. Those little Asplenium tutwilerae ferns only grow in 1 county in Alabama. Can you imagine having a setup like that lol?

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    I love to see he is using soda bottle cloches and an old fish tank in his work. I have the glass dome from an old flush mount ceiling light fixture outside acting as a cloche right now. I did the spring cleanup in my front beds today. Overall the gardens produced a lot of biomass, it would have been a lot faster to just burn it all. Among all the spent rudbeckia foliage there were two green whips growing leaves: the hypericum prolificum seedlings, the succession plan is working. The NJ tea got bigger too, I'm going to dig out some echinacea later to give those more space this year. Some rodent made a hole under my lupine and now there is no sign of it :(

    A 52 year old woman died of corona virus at the nearby hospital. Turns out she was super involved in a huge catholic church that I can practically see from my house, yikes.

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    Jay, I am really having my fingers crossed for your quadrifolia. The corona virus is really something else. Our governor announced today that all schools will be closed. My queen of the prairie is coming back. Yay! Planted it last year, so I was hoping it makes it so I can get some blooms.

    I am always amazed how you can remember all these plants. It took me a long time to look through my notes to find this one again. I knew I had it identified on name that plant before, but I didn’t label the picture in my folder. Just wrote it down. Ranunculus abortivus. Showing up in a completely different spot of the yard this time around.

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    I've had a hard time trying to get those native lupins established. I think there was just one struggling plant left at the end of last year. I winter sowed more lupin seeds and scattered a few too. All the heavy rains caused last years seedlings to rot. I wonder if in nature echinacea likes to be a distance away from other Echinacea. The 3 E. purpurea that I planted next to each other aren't doing as good as the volunteers that are off by themselves. I don't think they like much competition either, even from each other.

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    Hammel Woods 3-15-20









    Something new from all the rain.

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    Pregnant pangolin, fellow mammal


  • 6 years ago

    If there are pictures, I am not seeing them. Hopefully just a temporary glich that is resolving itself.

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    It's been a good run. We'll see tomorrow? Yes, there were lots of pictures.

    I'll cut down on the pictures once this is over.

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    If there was a picture, I am not seeing it, but let’s wait what the others say. Or if it fixes itself. The native plant sale scheduled for mid April is already cancelled. What are they going to do with all the plants? Plus it’s a good way of getting funds. Guess they will figure it out. Maybe they will have some greenhouse visiting hours later on this Spring.

  • 6 years ago

    Iris, Jay put up a picture of a protester holding a sign that reads "Can we please put the smart people in charge now?" I agree with the sentiment but what happened to only posting original photos Jay?

  • 6 years ago

    Ha well, all of a sudden the “something new after the rain” picture is showing up, so maybe the others will eventually, too. Is that hazelnut?

  • 6 years ago

    I'll try just to post my own stuff from now on. There's not much here to look at now. It's 39 and raining.

  • 6 years ago

    It was cold and gloomy here, too. So no pictures from me :) Next weeks looks again like roller coaster weather with highs ranging from 49 to 77.

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    Did you see the thistle picture? Have the others showed up yet?

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    No thistle picture yet. But maybe I am just on a one day delay. No problem.

  • 6 years ago

    I start a new one tomorrow.

  • 6 years ago

    I saw all the pics you posted yesterday, Jay, my desktop/laptop computers as well as iPhone. Could it be your device, Iris?

  • 6 years ago

    What should I do?🤔🤢😟☹🥺😨😷

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    It’s both the IPad and the PC. Maybe you all are VIP’s :)

    Jay, it might still fix itself. Like it did last time. I would wait starting a new one at least until Dandy chimes in. Since this usually happened to both of us around the same time.

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    OK, adding my laptops and desktop are Macs.

  • 6 years ago

    Well, I just scrolled up and am now seeing beautiful water droplets and cute squirrels. So there is hope after all. Even though it’s really weird.

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    This bx pro mix dries out too fast. I lost a few seedlings. Other peeps have said the same. Maybe miracle grow next year? It's a fine line between too wet and too dry. Maybe we can all get what we want through plant trades?

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    Were these indoor seedlings? With my limited seed experience, I just grab a bag of whatever organic seed starting mix there is. Opened a bag of the Burpee organic eco friendly mix yesterday. Guess because it’s made with the coconut coir? Can’t say how it works yet, but it was a lot less frustrating getting it to absorb water in the first place. Seems to take forever with the other ones I used. I probably don’t have any plants you want, since I mostly have the common ones you already have. But if there is something, I would be happy to send you some. Saw today that not only is my punktata coming back, there are also a bunch of seedlings coming up. Frostweed is staring to grow. Glad Javi was not scared off by the sturdy roots on even the young ones.

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    Who said I wasn't scared? Iris had to put into perspective the size of her digger tool next to the root....oh, yeah, Javi was scared, but Javi also LOVES a challenge!

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    Ha ha ha! Judging by the way the produce section in our grocery store looked yesterday, I should keep a little space to grow food. Not a single potato or onion to be found. I have grown onions before. They were easy.

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    It sounds like the stores have been restocking fine around here already -- the odd tp shortage, still, but it sounds like the line-ups are first thing in the morning. I guess folks are either grocery shopping right before work, or they have a must-have item that might sell out later in the day.


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    They were milkweed seedlings under the big light. I lost 1 humistrata and 1 purple. The fascicularis bounced back. Some of the cells have pro mix, mixed with sand, for the milkweeds that like sand, like humistrata, arenaria, subverticillata, and onotheroides. Those cells dry out even faster. I was hoping I could bottom water the trays, but it's not working out. Some cells won't hydrate, and they all get too drenched, leading to fungus problems. I had gotten a little package of super concentrated biofungicide from Thailand after months of waiting, and I put it somewhere for safekeeping, and now it's lost lol. I ordered more biofungicide from the states. I can't wait months for it. So, I will just have to spray water all the cells twice a day. This is the count of all the seedlings that are up with cotyledons. asperula,4, purple, 9, cordifolia, 2, arenaria, 6, variegata, 2, speciosa, 2. subverticillata, 2, humistrata, 4, variegata, 2, oenotheroides,2, ovalifolia,13, oenotheroides,2, fascicularis, 3., and viridiflora,3.There are several cells that have no sign of life. All seeds were sown in the cells after the roots appeared. I had really bad germination with the variegata and purple. I wish I had more seeds of both. I'm soaking more seeds for oenotheroides, fascicularis, asperula, viridiflora, subverticillata, and speciosa, since there are only a few of each that germinated.

  • 6 years ago

    I thought I heard my name mentioned. This post has over 2000 comments now. It takes forever to refresh.

    What's that tree with the pendulous catkins. They look like bananas.

    Jay 6a Chicago thanked dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)
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    I don't know what that tree is. I haven't looked it up

    Maybe Alnus? I had no idea that all the comments were making it difficult for some people. They don't effect me at all, but I can start a new thread if you like.

    It might be Alnus serullata, but the flowers I shot were not in bloom yet, and all google pictures show flowers in bloom which look a little different.

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    I started a new thread.

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