How to control weed on a farm or large veggie garden
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Comments (19)I wonder how accurate the air test are.. I know they do air test on the side of the highways here, it's just a scruphy man that sets up this device on a tripod.. They normally arent even there a day.. What if one of the devices malfunctions? I just wonder how accurate they are.. How much should i worry(or not) just because that website has elevated air pollution? I would hate to worry people like that, especially if it's innaccurate.. I know I looked up the water quality in my local waterways on the epa website recently, a lot of the information was labeled "N/A" or not tested in several years, it was little help; that's what leads me to believe poor maintanance, etc.. "I'll link the air now site below. But don't let it get you down (if you look at the archives). Our air today was excellent!! (think positive :) )" I never let that stuff get me down, that's when the negativity pulls everyone downhill. Your mind is powerful, if ypu believe your getting poisoned, your going to be poisoned by them thoughts. If you think your eating healthy, youll be healthy, everyone knows the placebo effect. That's the healing power of the mind. I live about a mile from a main highway, i forage all around here. I dont worry.. At least the food is fresh and not sitting for a week or so in a semi truck, driving them polluted highways all the way to your local store. I remember how i went to this farm stand, i had some dandalions and other greens i was eating before i shopped at the stand.. The old farm guy who claimed his food was farm raised at his farm organic, when it was clearly shipped in, was nagging me, "You gonna wash that", "Be careful of pollutants, wash it".. I replied "no one treated this with chrlorine or fluoride, you want me to wash my clean wild food, with dirty tap water, really? That's like the organic spinach or greens at the store, oh it's organic, but it's been triple washed with crap water and who knows what soap. It never made much sense to me.....See MoreNew Gardener and Controlling Weeds
Comments (4)OK, my short answer is try using mulch!! I recently attended a lecture on home gardens and one thing that was mentioned was never use any kind of weed barrier. Landscaping cloth etc. I guess in the long run it causes more problems than solves. It kills the soil underneath it, weeds just grow on top of it, it is not a good thing! The best way I can think of is to remove weeds and add mulch to minimize their return.You need 2 to 3 inches of it. Our flower garden is old and I would really like just to remove everything and start over. It seems certain perennials overrun the garden anyway. I thin them more than weeds. Ground covers also hide and smother the weeds too, But try getting rid of them, just as the weeds, near impossible. I'm more into the edible part of my garden. I have run into another problem, the wife, she considers the flower garden hers but does little to nothing to it. Hopefully I can get her to let me take it over, and I will just remove everything, replant what we want, and mulch heavily. It is something you will need to do yearly (mulching that is, you can get by at times doing it every 2 years, but I tend to add fresh mulch every year). It does help, and builds the soil. Anybody who grows edibles uses mulch, it is required to keep the plants moist, and to keep the soil rich. I do not have problems with weeds around my fruit trees, blueberries, raspberries, or strawberries. So yes, it works quite well. I use three different kinds, because of the needs of my fruit plants. I use mostly pine bark, and since I can get it free, pine straw. This keeps my strawberries out of the dirt, you have to cover them in the winter completely too. Many use regular straw for this, pine needles looks better, and my in-laws up in northern MI have ton's and ton's of it as they own a few lots which are covered in pine and spruce trees. The supply is unlimited, and free. I also use cypress as it is not as acidic as pine. My lilacs bushes do not like acid, so I use cypress, which is still acidic, but not as much as pine. I add lime to keep the soil basic where the lilacs are. You can get colored bark too, I guess it probably would look nicer for a bit, until the sun fades it. I really do not care. I use mulch because it is needed to properly care for my edible plants. I could give a rip how it looks, although it looks good! So now I buy extra to use in the flower garden. So far few weeds have come up, and those that do stick out and are easy to spot and pull. I would still like to start over though, it's been years and would look neater etc. Good luck! This post was edited by Drew51 on Sun, Apr 14, 13 at 23:56...See MoreNew Gardener and Controlling Weeds
Comments (3)I think Rhizo is imagining you've got more good plants with Old McDonald weeds, here-a-weed, there-a-weed... between a lot of "keepers." If it's more like that, it would be a matter of asking yourself, do I have the time to pull all of these plants up? Some people opt to remove the "good plants" to make it easier to smother large, unbroken areas. Wherever there's a gap in the smothering, weeds are, well, not suppressed, so if it's thin strips between good plants, smothering won't help much. As perspective, in my minds' eye, I see your beds as mostly devoid of desirable plants, with much space between those that would be "keepers." Although I wouldn't begrudge someone's use of chems to establish control, it would be preferable to me to smother where possible. I would define possible as any spot where I can completely cover a patch of weeds with newspaper or cardboard in large enough areas around existing plants so I could cover it with several inches of mulch without having the mulch wash "into" the existing plants. It's not that I have anything against using chems to establish control, but that's only part of the issue. If it's been lawn or neglected "flower bed," likely the soil does not have good tilth, fertility, drainage. Even this type of very basic lasagna can be incredibly helpful in all of these regards. If your dedication and determination extend as far, it's so easy to add other amendments as part of/when smothering. I like to put bagged lawnmower clippings under the paper in case it has seeds in it. (Then when the paper/cardboard contacts it, you've got a good green/brown thing composting under there.) Between the paper/cardboard and the mulch, one can add compost, leaves, whatever seed-free, easily decomposed organic matter is available. When you stick a shovel in later, that fall is OK if you want to add some shrubs/perennials, next year for summer annuals and anything more, you should be amazed by the difference. There's also an impatient form of smothering where one uses whatever they can keep in contact with the soil. A tarp or sheet of plastic, pieces of metal, the bags of mulch you will eventually use in that area, anything that will cover up the weeds until they die. After a time, you remove the cover and see if it's dead. Once you determine everything is, cover with mulch, compost, whatever your plan is, then start gardening. IME with using both methods many times, a smother layer of paper and the longer wait is worth it in the future. The quick-smother often results in the sprouting of many seeds that were at the surface but just hadn't decided to grow yet, especially right where you dig holes to add the plants that couldn't wait until next year, pretty much thwarting your efforts. With options, you can choose the best one, which you may decide is spraying. If so, putting a cardboard box upside-down on nearby plants can be helpful to avoid the mist from getting on them. Try to do when......See MoreVeggie Garden Runneth Over by Weeds! Help!
Comments (8)Glad to try to help! I start at least 1 new bed somewhere every year. "If I use cardboard and whatever OM I can come up with, and then the finely shredded wood chips (can that be bought?)." Yes, finely shredded mulch that isn't painted a designer color (takes longer to decompose, and you probably don't want to 'eat' decomposed paint or dyes) shouldn't be hard to find. "Will I be able to plant next spring??" Yes, I always do. A layer of something moist and green directly on top of the cardboard (like grass from mower bag, small yard trimmings, produce scraps from kitchen) will give the green/brown (the paper/cardboard) balance needed for speedier decomposition. Put under the mulch, you'll never know it's there, should be 'dirt' by spring, at least in appearance and texture, but you'll know it's compost/humus. Put tons of leaves on top when you get them in the fall. I>"I find it hard to imagine all of that would decompose so quickly. If so, would I add soil on top before planting?" This depends on the weather, climate, and mix of stuff you put there, but a reasonable expectation. "And before laying down the cardboard or papers, I'd want to cut it all down as much as I can?" Yes, this will help the smothering stuff be best able to contour to the soil surface, blocking the air and light and space needed for stuff to grow under there. "Oh, one last question - when would u start the lasagna layers? ASAP? " I would, but it's up to you. The longer it has, the more decomposition possible. "Was gonna let my sad tomato plants go to see if I could get any goodies from them..." If you think you can work around them, they shouldn't mind, probably like it. Maybe pull stuff around the base, then smother nearby, filling in those holes later when the toms are finished? Up to you, but likely do-able. "What kind of OM can I buy at a store? " Mulch and compost, but if you start looking around you'll probably find stuff. As long as you mow before you see seeds on the grass, there will be few seeds in the grass, which won't be able to grow through all of the stuff on top anyway. As you stir things up planting and harvesting, some seeds may end up on the surface and sprout, but once you gain control, it's easy to pull unwanted sprouts when you see them. I've never caused an infestation of unwanted grass doing this. After you've gotten started, you can add kitchen scraps as you get them. Dig a little hole (but not deep enough to pierce the cardboard until next spring) for them, cover back up. Nobody but you will know you're "sheet composting." The more stuff like that you can add (greens as opposed to browns like the cardboard and mulch,) the quicker it will all decompose. Green + brown = fast compost. Green alone or brown alone = very slow decomposition, less desirable end-product. I usually proofread, but it's lunch time, hope......See MoreMokinu
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