New concrete patio rising after cracking on joints.
Julian 6A
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Comments (10)Hey Glenn, I recently finished a patio behind our house. I didn't use flagstone, I used a product called a Walkmaker by Quikrete, basically a mold you fill with concrete to get a random stone pattern, but the end result is wide joints similar to what you'll have between your flagstones. I found a product called Envirostone made by Envirobond. (www.envirobond.com) It's similar to the "stabilizing" sands you've seen, but is specifically made for flagstone joints. It is a mixture of a fine sand, aggregate, and their "stabilizer". It's been raining here everyday since I put the Envirostone down and swept it in to the joints, so I still don't know exactly how hard it sets up, but it is very tightly packed in from the rain and isn't running off at all. I imagine once it dries it will not blow away. I did fill my joints about 50% with pea gravel before adding the Envirostone to keep costs down. The Envirostone was $12.50 a bag locally, and I needed 4 bags of it for my 225 sq. ft patio. I also used 5 bags of pea gravel. They have 2 colors of Envirostone, I used the "natural", sort of tan/beige when dry. Here are a couple of pics of the finished patio. Good luck! http://img201.echo.cx/my.php?image=patiodone10lm.jpg http://img141.echo.cx/my.php?image=patiodone31xz.jpg...See MoreCracks in new concrete
Comments (4)Thanks for all the feedback! I called the ready-mix concrete company my contractor had used, and inquired about what exactly was ordered by my contractor. It turns out that he ordered the concrete with a slump of 5, which is marginal at best (4 or less is desirable). So the concrete was already somewhat watery. On top of that, he added 40 gallons of water on arrival (to 16 cubic yards of concrete), making the slump to 7.5 - WAY too watery. The water to cement ratio was 0.59, making both the ratio as well as the slump too high to make acceptable concrete. It turns out that he clearly violated the ASTM C 94 standard. According to the ready-mix quality control guy, he should have requested plasticizer instead of adding so much extra water. Plasticizers are cheap ($1-3 per cubic yard), so it is really surprising that he cut corners there. Now I also understand why he asked me not to spray water, as he know he already had put in too much water to begin with. So we ended up with too much water during pouring, and too less water during curing. Just to gather some conclusive evidence, I have asked the concrete quality control guy to come by tomorrow and do some Schmidt hammer testing, so that I can clearly show that the slab is weak. (For those who do not know this, the test is free, and non-destructive). Then the fun will begin when I break this to the contractor......See MoreNew Concrete Coping Cracking and Other Issues - HELP!!
Comments (3)My patio is much more simple than yours, but the problems are similar. With mine, the edging and overall finish work was done very poorly, and I also have a few cracks after just two weeks! Fortunately for me, it was the last thing he did and I refused to pay him for the work. He's gone, but now I am left with a gorgeous pool surrounded by an ugly patio that looks like it was done 10 years ago! One piece of advice I will give you: Find out how long the cement truck was at the job site. I was told by a few masons that the concrete has about 90 minutes from the time the truck leaves the cement facility to the time it is poured. Any longer than that and it begins to set up. I called the cement company, gave them my address and who did the job, and they read the info off the "ticket" right to me. They even offered to fax me a copy! In my case, the truck was here for 2 hours and 15 minutes, and the facility was 1/2 hour away. Even if my PB tries to take me to court, this info alone would win my case. Maybe something similar happened to you and you can call the PB on it and have him redo it. Good luck!...See MoreFixing hairline crack on a concrete patio
Comments (3)It depends whether it's an active crack...you could repair it only to have it reappear in future months as it settles some more. If it's not active land it's really a hairline you could just mix some mortar to a fairly thin consistency and and use a trowel to force it into the crack. You should be aware that the new material will typically show up as lighter and make the crack more noticeable. You could also go to a mason's supply store and get something like one of the Ardex Engineered Cement products specifically for such repairs. You might want to look at the Ardex site as it has a lot of info on its products and how to use them for repairs. Here is a link that might be useful: Ardex...See MoreYardvaark
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